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Government might blow the Canada Oil Deal......

  • neoavatara said...

    Obama doesn't want this deal. That is all it comes down to. If you support Keystone, you are against Obama. If you don't believe in the pipeline, vote for Obama. Pretty simple calculation.

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  • DayWalker said...

    Good I hope they blow it, I don't want it to happen.

    I agree- not building this thing is sound policy.

    ErnieMcCracken

  • i dont know guys it sounds like something we should make happen to me ; we need to revenue and the jobs something like this will being . why do you guys not want it ?

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    i dont know guys it sounds like something we should make happen to me ; we need to revenue and the jobs something like this will being . why do you guys not want it ?

    As long as they find an alternate route in Nebraska, it's really not that bad. I have reservations on the job numbers and whether it's going to bring down gas prices,but it's better than nothing.

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    i dont know guys it sounds like something we should make happen to me ; we need to revenue and the jobs something like this will being . why do you guys not want it ?

    1.The jobs gains they are stating will not happen and will be temporary at that.

    2.. Tar sand oil is an extremely dirty fuel and on top of that the company that wants to build this has a long, tarnished history of fuel spills and lax oversight.

    3.. The oil provided by this pipeline will not reduce U.S. foreign dependency but rather it will be shipped to other countries for export.

    4. Building this pipeline will also most likely result in HIGHER gas prices.

    On a basic level level, think of it like this. Let say the U.S. has a ocean of shit that we wanted to sell to other countries. Instead of transporting it ourselves we decided to build a pipeline to Canada so we can dump it there and let them clean it up for it to be sold elsewhere. As a Canadian would you want that?

    This post was edited by ErnieMcCracken on 2/11/2012 at 2:50 PM

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  • Relax guys. Sky high gas prices are only a problem when a republican is in office.

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    1.The jobs gains they are stating will not happen and will be temporary at that.

    2.. Tar sand oil is an extremely dirty fuel and on top of that the company that wants to build this has a long, tarnished history of fuel spills and lax oversight.

    3.. The oil provided by this pipeline will not reduce U.S. foreign dependency but rather it will be shipped to other countries for export.

    4. Building this pipeline will also most likely result in HIGHER gas prices.

    On a basic level level, think of it like this. Let say the U.S. has a ocean of shit that we wanted to sell to other countries. Instead of transporting it ourselves we decided to build a pipeline to Canada so we can dump it there and let them clean it up for it to be sold elsewhere. As a Canadian would you want that?

    Right, the Keystone XL deal is a front IMO. All of what you typed is true. Also, gas prices (as well as other commodities) will continue to trend higher regardless because of how weak the dollar is. If Europe/Greece ever gets their shit together, it could get even worse. I will say one thing though, if you play the stock market right, you could make a killing during these times.

    Six Reasons Keystone XL Was A Bad Deal All Along | Fox News

    Here are six facts about the proposed Keystone XL deal that make clear why the pipeline was a bad deal for America and why it deserved to be rejected:

    www.foxnews.com
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  • El Guapo said...

    Relax guys. Sky high gas prices are only a problem when a republican is in office.

    No it's only a problem when a Republican president decides to invade an oil-producing country with no evidence and completely destabilizes an entire oil-producing region.

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  • Action Figure said...

    Right, the Keystone XL deal is a front IMO. All of what you typed is true. Also, gas prices (as well as other commodities) will continue to trend higher regardless because of how weak the dollar is. If Europe/Greece ever gets their shit together, it could get even worse. I will say one thing though, if you play the stock market right, you could make a killing during these times.

    good post , thanks

    This post was edited by shoeless7777 on 2/11/2012 at 5:25 PM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    BS, where would that vote? Lose a few to the Green Party, but in the end they will vote party line.

    They would stay home & those are obamas foot soldiers. Go door to door. Donate a lot of $. Those wack jobs do a lot of campaign work.

    lestat

  • Good. Let's get into more alternative industries. Oil is old news.

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  • Einstein said...

    Good. Let's get into more alternative industries. Oil is old news.

    Alternative sources have higher upside than oil. It would be interesting to see what those energies would look like if they had the same subsides as oil.

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  • Or if neither had subsidies and we just let the markets decide. But within the system, agree with you.

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  • Action Figure said...

    Right, the Keystone XL deal is a front IMO. All of what you typed is true. Also, gas prices (as well as other commodities) will continue to trend higher regardless because of how weak the dollar is. If Europe/Greece ever gets their shit together, it could get even worse. I will say one thing though, if you play the stock market right, you could make a killing during these times.

    What a bunch of crap! Sally kohn is the biggest liberal commentator on fox. Futher left than alan combes. Why do liberals hate "big oil" because it makes a profit. Creates jobs for let's see. The people who drill it, transpot it to the refinery, the people who refine it, & people who then transport the refined oil to gas stations. That's a lot of jobs. But that "evil" company makes a profit. No let's invest in companies like SOLINDRA & all other green energy that is going bankkrupt. I'm all for any kind of energy, & as soon as solar is as cheap as oil its not a debate.

    lestat

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Alternative sources have higher upside than oil. It would be interesting to see what those energies would look like if they had the same subsides as oil.

    Yeah they get tax supsidies. Then the gov. Turns around & taxes at $.60 a gallon. I would like to see the cost of those green eneries with similar taxes. Oil is extremly over taxed.

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    Yeah they get tax supsidies. Then the gov. Turns around & taxes at $.60 a gallon. I would like to see the cost of those green eneries with similar taxes. Oil is extremly over taxed.

    You know why the various levels of government tax gas? Because it raises revenue to pay for the roads that you drive on dumba$$, not because they want to just tax "big oil" arbitrarily. Get your head out of the clouds.

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  • lestat said...

    What a bunch of crap! Sally kohn is the biggest liberal commentator on fox. Futher left than alan combes. Why do liberals hate "big oil" because it makes a profit. Creates jobs for let's see. The people who drill it, transpot it to the refinery, the people who refine it, & people who then transport the refined oil to gas stations. That's a lot of jobs. But that "evil" company makes a profit. No let's invest in companies like SOLINDRA & all other green energy that is going bankkrupt. I'm all for any kind of energy, & as soon as solar is as cheap as oil its not a debate.

    Big oil? Haha, you don't even know what big oil is. I work in the industry and trust me we are not "big oil"...far from it. You want big oil, look no further than the OPEC members. As far as the Keystone XL deal is concerned, I believe it's a front. If we want job creation and/or increased domestic production there are far better means to do so like opening up the Virginia and Alaska coasts as well as more Central/Eastern Gulf of Mexico waters to drilling.

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  • Action Figure If we want job creation and/or increased domestic production there are far better means to do so like opening up the Virginia and Alaska coasts as well as more Central/Eastern Gulf of Mexico waters to drilling.

    This. Big difference between this and Keystone.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    You know why the various levels of government tax gas? Because it raises revenue to pay for the roads that you drive on dumba$$, not because they want to just tax "big oil" arbitrarily. Get your head out of the clouds.

    So tell me in the state I live in gas is taxed 60 cents A Gallon. 19 cents a gallon goes to the roads. Where does the other 41 cents go. The fact is when ever the state needs $ for their overspending. They just raise the gas tax. Gov. Loves to demenize the oil companies.

    lestat

  • Action Figure said...

    Big oil? Haha, you don't even know what big oil is. I work in the industry and trust me we are not "big oil"...far from it. You want big oil, look no further than the OPEC members. As far as the Keystone XL deal is concerned, I believe it's a front. If we want job creation and/or increased domestic production there are far better means to do so like opening up the Virginia and Alaska coasts as well as more Central/Eastern Gulf of Mexico waters to drilling.

    Please re-read my post. Am I anti oil. NO. Enviromentalist refer to exxon oil ect. As "big oil". Not OPEC. Yes I want to drill here. Obama will block that too! I want an energy independent U.S. & if we are going to do that now it needs to include OIL, & COAL. Sorry I know the truth hurts.

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    So tell me in the state I live in gas is taxed 60 cents A Gallon. 19 cents a gallon goes to the roads. Where does the other 41 cents go. The fact is when ever the state needs $ for their overspending. They just raise the gas tax. Gov. Loves to demenize the oil companies.

    I can't speak for your state, but in Alabama taxes on gas are about 48 cents, with 30 going to state and 18 to federal. Again, I can't speak for whatever your state does with tax revenue, but almost all gas revenue is hypothecated towards funding transportation projects like roads you drive, lights etc. Again I can't speak for your state when it comes to deficits,but in Alabama we don't raise taxes on gas, we cut education and state jobs. Maybe the state you live in is some bubble where right-wing fantasy occurs,but again I can only speak for my state.

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  • lestat said...

    Please re-read my post. Am I anti oil. NO. Enviromentalist refer to exxon oil ect. As "big oil". Not OPEC. Yes I want to drill here. Obama will block that too! I want an energy independent U.S. & if we are going to do that now it needs to include OIL, & COAL. Sorry I know the truth hurts.

    Please re-read the earlier posts as a whole. Keystone pipeline does not equal American Energy Indepedence. It is, for the most part,just going to ship Canadian oil to the world market(and in turn more than likely raise gas prices).

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    So any Nebraska fans on here know what the deal is in your state on the holdup? Any progress? Edit: there is no guarantee that this pipeline would lower gas costs and in likelihood would raise the price at the pump

    Just saw this.

    Their is huge backlash in Nebraska. Transcanada sponsored an ad in the stadium during football games that was removed due to audible booing. A Nebraska game is a red-blooded, politically, environment.

    The opposition has managed to get support from people who are against that much eminent domain in addition to the concerns about the Ogallala aquifer. Any effort to shift it further away from the aquifer shifts it closer to the Missouri and into the more populated part of Nebraska.

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  • Oryhara said...

    Just saw this.

    Their is huge backlash in Nebraska. Transcanada sponsored an ad in the stadium during football games that was removed due to audible booing. A Nebraska game is a red-blooded, politically, environment.

    The opposition has managed to get support from people who are against that much eminent domain in addition to the concerns about the Ogallala aquifer. Any effort to shift it further away from the aquifer shifts it closer to the Missouri and into the more populated part of Nebraska.

    No surprise- I'm sure if some pipeline filled with the most toxic oil out there was being built by a company with a history of oil spills and lax oversight in lestat's backyard he/she would be completely thrilled about it.

    ErnieMcCracken

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