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Grading the SEC hires

  • 33_Hawgfan said...

    Devidee your a idiot. Bielema made it to three straight BCS bowls. And granted Ohio state was not eligible this year but he still made never the less and he did it without cheating and lieing. Something tressel couldn't do. Bielema made it to this years rose bowl after losing 6 coaches from the past year. He is a good coach whether you like to admit it or not. Whether he can compete at this level is yet to be seen but now at least he will have the money to keep his assistants at home!

    Bielema is not a good coach. One only has to objectively look at his résumé to come to that conclusion.

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  • SUGator51 said...

    Really love Bielema's staff so far. If he can keep getting guys that know the conference and can recruit the south, he might end up being a pretty solid hire.

    I think Tennessee whiffing on Tee Martin and letting Pittman go were bad mistakes. I like how he put SEC experience on the defensive side, just not sure it's necessarily good experience.

    Like what Malzahn's doing thus far also.

    So what about the Azzanni hire? I'm not really that upset of the miss on Tee Martin. I honestly think it was a play to unite the fan base more than it was to bring in an elite recruiter.... Azzanni doesn't have a bad résumé himself. I agree on Pittman, but Jones needed a few guys he was comfortable with too. I know Pittman made it look like the offensive line improved light years, but that guy that looked terrible before him happens to be the o line coach at undefeated ND right now..... Maybe it was just a young group that finally made the leap in their 3rd year... Just throwing it out there...

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  • devidee said...

    Bielema is not a good coach. One only has to objectively look at his résumé to come to that conclusion.

    There has never been anyone on the internet more butthurt over anything ever than you are over this hire. We get it man, you think he sucks. I understand you feel threatened by this hire. As a person who comes out swinging when he feels threatened too, I get that. But put down your fists and go back to your corner man. Good lord. You don't have to make it your personal agenda to tell everyone on the internet that thinks he is a decent football coach that he sucks. You can let Arkansas be a little excited over pulling a coach from a school that has gone to three consecutive Rose Bowls.

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  • orangeasylum said...

    So what about the Azzanni hire? I'm not really that upset of the miss on Tee Martin. I honestly think it was a play to unite the fan base more than it was to bring in an elite recruiter.... Azzanni doesn't have a bad résumé himself. I agree on Pittman, but Jones needed a few guys he was comfortable with too. I know Pittman made it look like the offensive line improved light years, but that guy that looked terrible before him happens to be the o line coach at undefeated ND right now..... Maybe it was just a young group that finally made the leap in their 3rd year... Just throwing it out there...

    I like Azzanni. He got a bad rap at Florida and he's obviously well-regarded in the coaching industry. But Tee Martin's an ace...

    I think Pittman was particularly bad because I think Jones's offensive system really needs a fantastic OL to fly in the SEC. Pittman would have given Tennessee that. Will Mahoney?

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  • Weedline said...

    There has never been anyone on the internet more butthurt over anything ever than you are over this hire. We get it man, you think he sucks. I understand you feel threatened by this hire. As a person who comes out swinging when he feels threatened too, I get that. But put down your fists and go back to your corner man. Good lord. You don't have to make it your personal agenda to tell everyone on the internet that thinks he is a decent football coach that he sucks. You can let Arkansas be a little excited over pulling a coach from a school that has gone to three consecutive Rose Bowls.

    I'm not upset about the hire. I'm upset that people are using a fraudulent stat to claim Bielema is a good coach when clearly he is not.

    Arkansas is irrelevant in terms of this discussion.

    This post was edited by devidee on 12/16/2012 at 5:00 PM

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  • SUGator51 said...

    I like Azzanni. He got a bad rap at Florida and he's obviously well-regarded in the coaching industry. But Tee Martin's an ace...

    I think Pittman was particularly bad because I think Jones's offensive system really needs a fantastic OL to fly in the SEC. Pittman would have given Tennessee that. Will Mahoney?

    Yeah... I know right. At first I thought the same thing, but I actually am starting to buy in more now. The guy has won everywhere he's been.... Something Dooley didn't have going for him. I think the guy can coach. The recruiting part... It's a wait and see I think.

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  • Yes and Ohio state has a not never against the SEC.

  • Barton Simmons is an idiot. Every major national sports media all agreed that Arkansas got the best hire. Malzahn has one year head coaching experience and it is in the sunbelt. You have no idea how he is going to do at Auburn. He is less proven than Chizik when he was hired. We got a grand slam, while the other sec teams had singles.

    ctate1906

  • ctate1906 said...

    Barton Simmons is an idiot. Every major national sports media all agreed that Arkansas got the best hire. Malzahn has one year head coaching experience and it is in the sunbelt. You have no idea how he is going to do at Auburn. He is less proven than Chizik when he was hired. We got a grand slam, while the other sec teams had singles.

    Only time will tell.

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  • Arkansas A- made waves. That's for sure.
    Tennessee B maybe not one of their top choices, but I like him.
    Kentucky C+, but probably about as high as they could reach.
    Auburn C ????? Auburn undershot big time. I am not sure if they believe that theyh really are an elite program. Surely Gus wasn't a top 5 candidate for them.

    I would also have the bottom 3 tested for mental retardations because Western Kentucky got easily the best coach available. Arkansas had an excuse. The other 3 just made a horrible decision. Out of the 3 that all shoulld have hired Petrino, Jones is the only one I see employed at the same program in 5 years.

    BetterOff

  • It's my understanding that Barton was grading the hires based on recruiting and nothing else.

    I just got pissy because he said Bielema was a good coach and then went on to use faulty evidence to support that assertion.

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  • devidee said...

    It's my understanding that Barton was grading the hires based on recruiting and nothing else.

    I just got pissy because he said Bielema was a good coach and then went on to use faulty evidence to support that assertion.

    Then how do you grade Malzahn that high. What was Arkansas State ranked in recruiting again?

    ctate1906

  • High School Harry is not a B+ hire. Disaster is coming for Auburn

    Wolfie2011

  • Wolfie2011 said...

    High School Harry is not a B+ hire. Disaster is coming for Auburn

    ...and Wolfie2011 is actually Nostradamus.

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  • LMAO!

    Dang Barton some people take your grades a little hard, don't they? One things for sure girls, the SEC has a way of making sure that the shit eventually floats to the top. So time will tell..... Although I tend to lean towards someone's evaluation that knows more than me.

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  • Bielema, even though he is a douche, is a better hire than Stoops AND Jones for starters.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Bielema, even though he is a douche, is a better hire than Stoops AND Jones for starters.

    It remains to be seen if Bielema is a better hire than Stoops.

    He most certainly is not a better hire than Jones.

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  • ctate1906 said...

    Barton Simmons is an idiot. Every major national sports media all agreed that Arkansas got the best hire. Malzahn has one year head coaching experience and it is in the sunbelt. You have no idea how he is going to do at Auburn. He is less proven than Chizik when he was hired. We got a grand slam, while the other sec teams had singles.

    Refrain from calling staff members names, please.

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  • ctate1906 said...

    Then how do you grade Malzahn that high. What was Arkansas State ranked in recruiting again?

    They actually did quite well for a Sun Belt school.

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  • How do you put grades on hires before they even coach in one game? You have to give these guys about 3 years before you can judge.

    CoachGomez214

  • ctate1906 said...

    Barton Simmons is an idiot. Every major national sports media all agreed that Arkansas got the best hire. Malzahn has one year head coaching experience and it is in the sunbelt. You have no idea how he is going to do at Auburn. He is less proven than Chizik when he was hired. We got a grand slam, while the other sec teams had singles.

    Thanks for reading.

    This column isn't about "best hire" overall. It's all about the recruiting angle. If you think that Bielema was the best hire from a recruiting perspective in the SEC then I'd love to hear your reasoning.

    Barton Simmons | 247Sports | National Recruiting Analyst | Twitter: @bartonsimmons

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  • devidee said...

    It's my understanding that Barton was grading the hires based on recruiting and nothing else.

    I just got pissy because he said Bielema was a good coach and then went on to use faulty evidence to support that assertion.

    Yea. Commentary was based on recruiting and nothing else.

    I'm not sure how you can say that Bielema isn't a "good coach". He may be an overrated coach but he has won consistently. Other than Ohio State, Wisconsin has been as steady of a presence as anyone in the Big Ten during his tenure.

    Barton Simmons | 247Sports | National Recruiting Analyst | Twitter: @bartonsimmons

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  • Coach-Gomez said...

    How do you put grades on hires before they even coach in one game? You have to give these guys about 3 years before you can judge.

    It's a grade based on recruiting, nothing more.

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  • Barton S said...

    Yea. Commentary was based on recruiting and nothing else.

    I'm not sure how you can say that Bielema isn't a "good coach". He may be an overrated coach but he has won consistently. Other than Ohio State, Wisconsin has been as steady of a presence as anyone in the Big Ten during his tenure.

    2-4 bowl record (0-2 in BCS bowls).

    Had an overall losing record against B1G teams not named Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota and Illinois.

    Again, Bielema dominated the worst teams in a bad conference.

    I guess the definition of "good" is subjective but to me, Bielema's track record is black and white.

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  • devidee said...

    2-4 bowl record (0-2 in BCS bowls).

    Had an overall losing record against B1G teams not named Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota and Illinois.

    Again, Bielema dominated the worst teams in a bad conference.

    I guess the definition of "good" is subjective but to me, Bielema's track record is black and white.

    I'll give you that. Im not really trying to argue how good of a coach he is. I'm arguing it's a poor hire from a recruitig perspective.

    If within that you're getting wound up over the use of the word "good" in describing him as a coach then, well, I don't know what to tell you. I don't feel that strongly one way or the other. The point I do feel strongly about is that they could have done better from a recruiting perspective.

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