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Has Obama killed more terrorists than Bush? Without casualties?

  • Bush only cared about taking Saddam out.

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  • It's like going halves on building a house and his job was to sign for the keys.... GROUNDWORK LAID!!!!

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Fair assessment except the first part. I still don't think many conservatives on here will give Obama credit for foreign policy because, again, it is politically expedient to discredit him on everything, whether it was right or wrong.

    Conservatives don't give him credit on his foreign policy because overall, his FP sucks. However, I give him a lot of credit for his policy with drone attacks (more conservatives should), which is only a small part of his overall FP.

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  • ASBamaguy said...

    Our military is badass. It is always badass, regardless of who the president is. ANY president taking credit for stuff that he has next to nothing to do with in terms of carrying out missions is a joke.

    Pretty sure going into countries not named Afghan and Iraq and dropping bombs is a presidents decision.

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    kitemac

  • He has final say as Commander in Chief, sure. Still, he basically does what he is advised to do because he's not really qualified to make military decisions.

    ASBamaguy

  • ASBamaguy said...

    He has final say as Commander in Chief, sure. Still, he basically does what he is advised to do because he's not really qualified to make military decisions.

    What President isn't heavily advised by the military when making those decisions. We haven't had a real war commander as President in a very long time.

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  • kitemac said...

    Has Obama killed more terrorists than Bush? Without casualties?

    Serious question. I don't care for Obama or Bush but it seems Obama is knocking out a lot of terrorists with a drone or special forces instead of marines and army guys.

    yes?

    no, wait...

    no?

    hmmm... no, it's yes...

    or is it no?

    i would say it is a definite maybe

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  • kitemac said...

    Serious question. I don't care for Obama or Bush but it seems Obama is knocking out a lot of terrorists with a drone or special forces instead of marines and army guys.

    Actually no a fair question. Changes in tech, tactics and over all mission. The better question is "is McDonald/Douglas killing more terrorist than Colt?"

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    Actually no a fair question. Changes in tech, tactics and over all mission. The better question is "is McDonald/Douglas killing more terrorist than Colt?"

    Wouldn't changes in tactics and over all mission be a President's move?

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  • kitemac said...

    Wouldn't changes in tactics and over all mission be a President's move?

    Ok, with that logic Obama smoked Eisenhower and FDR

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    Ok, with that logic Obama smoked Eisenhower and FDR

    Haha alright man....

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    kitemac

  • I'm a big Obama supporter, but one of the biggest reasons there are more succesful drone attacks is because the US has done a much better job in the intellegence community recently. You can't kill them if you don't know where they are.

    del taki

  • Obama deserves a lot of credit for getting OBL, and killing terrorists with drones.

    But you simply need to read Congressional reports, both Senate and House, to understand why they are succeeding. They gathered vast intel from the captured terrorists in the Bush era and after. We are doing that less, because...well, we are killing them instead. The intel community admits our intel is getting weaker. But still, I think Obama's drone plan is excellent.

    As for foreign affairs...OBL is the diamond in the crown. But what else is there? Afghanistan is worse. Iraq is winding down, which is certainly good. Iran, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan are all in worse shape. Our relationship with both allies and competitors are worse, including Russia, China and India.

    I am not sure where the great foreign affair victories are, except for killing terrorists, which I admit is a laudable goal.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    Wonder who started that drone stuff.

    UAVs {unmanned aerial vehicles} (aka drones) started decades ago. USAF used them in late 50s. In 2005, UAVs saw many, many flight hours (over 100,000 hrs) in the Iraqi conflict.

    Coincidentally, there was tremendous uproar over the DoD contract for these UAVs. Suddenly, every media outlet finds it PC to report that UAVs (drones) have made all of these successful strikes. I can't say what I do for a living, but you can probably read through some lines here. I see QUITE a bit of stuff in my work. I can say, without any doubt, that this administration plays the media better than any I have seen before and our media thereby controls the U.S. public. Many of you all believe exactly what they tell you and nothing more. I will leave it at that.

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  • Read somewhere yesterday that Bush was credited with 16 confirmed drone kills and Obama currently has 15. Only thing I care about is that there are 31 dead terrorists.

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  • kitemac said...

    This topic has NOTHING to do with his domestic policy. He is dominating terrorists right now. All conservatives have to see that atleast right?

    BamaLivesFootba said...

    It's hard to credit someone when it's politically expedient to discredit him.

    Did either of you two geniuses even read the entire first paragraph of my response, where I gave Obama credit for both changing the rules of engagement to grease the skids for more drone attacks, and increasing said drone attacks? Or do you just want to focus on the one single sentence at the end that you disagree with? Forgive me for not worshipping the ground he walks on like you do. Kitemac, I obviously "see that", because my post congratulates Obama on doing a good job in those areas. BLF, I gain nothing personally nor do I influence any election by criticizing or praising Obama, so it's not "politically expedient" either way for me. I simply call it as I see it. I wish expressing my opinion had such consequences, but alas, I'm only an anonymous poster on an internet message board. Serious stuff for you two, obviously.

    And as for your silly little jobs chart BLF, I suppose you think that proves that Obama is doing a good job with economy? (1) Bush sucked, so I don't know why you liberals only want to compare Obama's job to Bush's job. That's like bragging about being the fastest in the special olympics. (2) The chart shows 0% growth in private sector jobs under Obama, and a ~3% loss in public sector jobs. I think we should seriously slash public sector jobs because our government is too big as it is, but we all know we haven't lost public sector jobs because Obama is cutting government spending and/or reducing the size of government. So exactly what is so good about this graph for Obama? (3) Find a unbiased source next time.

    Regardless, my problem with the liberal/democrat domestic policy is not related to unemployment or job growth. Runaway government spending will be the ruin of our economy if we don't get a handle on it and stop spending money like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse, and do it NOW. Republicans are only slightly better at this than democrats, they are giving much lip service to it right now but as usual the blue bloods in Washington are fighting any real change along with the democrats. I am a conservative, not a republican, so I'm pretty much fed up with both of them right now. We need to put an immediate stop to all growth in government spending IMMEDIATELY and begin some serious talks about how we can start reducing government spending. I'm not holding my breath.

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  • Did Obama get OBL? Really.....Obama has his role and he plays it well. The OBL killing was a joke as it never took place. And buried at sea as per Muslim guidelines, think again, another joke. And where is Seal Team 6,,,Anybody know, you know the ones who "killed" OBL....Dead, thats right they are DEAD! They were the ones that knew the truth and to protect it they were killed. YOu people need to stop believing what the lame steam dedia tells you. The lie just like the gov....And yes I know, you dont believe me.....One day you will and I hope the light comes on soon...

    Topspin1

  • You are correct, do not hold your breath. They will continue to spend and continue to attack the Constitution. These things you can count on.

    Topspin1

  • Bush? Had OBL surrounded at Tora Bora and instead of using our superior military to finish the job, he hired OBL's cousins to "bring him to justice". They laughed and helped OBL escape.

    Obama? Had intelligence on where OBL was, said "screw the local Pakis, we're doing this ourselves," sent in the badasses and the rest is history.

    Point, Obama.

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  • Topspin1 said...

    Did Obama get OBL? Really.....Obama has his role and he plays it well. The OBL killing was a joke as it never took place. And buried at sea as per Muslim guidelines, think again, another joke. And where is Seal Team 6,,,Anybody know, you know the ones who "killed" OBL....Dead, thats right they are DEAD! They were the ones that knew the truth and to protect it they were killed. YOu people need to stop believing what the lame steam dedia tells you. The lie just like the gov....And yes I know, you dont believe me.....One day you will and I hope the light comes on soon...

    Hold on... let me put on my tinfoil hat.

    Ok.

    Ready.

    Tell me what really happened then. Who killed Seal Team 6? What "truth" did they know?

    Black Shipley

  • Topspin1 said...

    Did Obama get OBL? Really.....Obama has his role and he plays it well. The OBL killing was a joke as it never took place. And buried at sea as per Muslim guidelines, think again, another joke. And where is Seal Team 6,,,Anybody know, you know the ones who "killed" OBL....Dead, thats right they are DEAD! They were the ones that knew the truth and to protect it they were killed. YOu people need to stop believing what the lame steam dedia tells you. The lie just like the gov....And yes I know, you dont believe me.....One day you will and I hope the light comes on soon...

    Haha yeah it's all a conspiracy theory right? Your a joke. Main stream media lied about all of it? No. They didn't. Focus less on main stream media "lying" and more on your spelling, it could pay dividends in your future. Drone attacks have been taking place longer than anyone could imagine. The bush administration had been doing this for YEARS. For the ammount of civilians killed, the total ammount of terrorist killed is so much higher.

    acole1

  • Gfortress5 said...

    Ok, with that logic Obama smoked Eisenhower and FDR

    A change in the overall mission, and changes in tactics has NOTHING to do with the president, ecspecially from one that has never served a day in his life. It's done by the task force commanders, the location commanders, and the local troops on the ground. Obama was not the shot caller when it came down to Osama bin ladens death, that was going to happen regardless of his decision. Intelligence in today's special operations unit would blow your mind. The assets are simply unreal.

    This post was edited by acole1 on 6/7/2012 at 9:22 AM

    acole1

  • acole1 said...

    Your a joke. Focus less on main stream media "lying" and more on your spelling, it could pay dividends in your future.

    ^^That is gold right there.

    WRobins

  • BamaGrad00 said...

    Did either of you two geniuses even read the entire first paragraph of my response, where I gave Obama credit for both changing the rules of engagement to grease the skids for more drone attacks, and increasing said drone attacks? Or do you just want to focus on the one single sentence at the end that you disagree with? Forgive me for not worshipping the ground he walks on like you do. Kitemac, I obviously "see that", because my post congratulates Obama on doing a good job in those areas. BLF, I gain nothing personally nor do I influence any election by criticizing or praising Obama, so it's not "politically expedient" either way for me. I simply call it as I see it. I wish expressing my opinion had such consequences, but alas, I'm only an anonymous poster on an internet message board. Serious stuff for you two, obviously.

    And as for your silly little jobs chart BLF, I suppose you think that proves that Obama is doing a good job with economy? (1) Bush sucked, so I don't know why you liberals only want to compare Obama's job to Bush's job. That's like bragging about being the fastest in the special olympics. (2) The chart shows 0% growth in private sector jobs under Obama, and a ~3% loss in public sector jobs. I think we should seriously slash public sector jobs because our government is too big as it is, but we all know we haven't lost public sector jobs because Obama is cutting government spending and/or reducing the size of government. So exactly what is so good about this graph for Obama? (3) Find a unbiased source next time.

    Regardless, my problem with the liberal/democrat domestic policy is not related to unemployment or job growth. Runaway government spending will be the ruin of our economy if we don't get a handle on it and stop spending money like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse, and do it NOW. Republicans are only slightly better at this than democrats, they are giving much lip service to it right now but as usual the blue bloods in Washington are fighting any real change along with the democrats. I am a conservative, not a republican, so I'm pretty much fed up with both of them right now. We need to put an immediate stop to all growth in government spending IMMEDIATELY and begin some serious talks about how we can start reducing government spending. I'm not holding my breath.

    I was going to comment back when I was sarcastically called a genius, but when I saw you didn't know how to read a chart...

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