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BamaGrad00 said...
Obama redefined the way we calculate collateral damage. Now pretty much any male old or young enough to hold a weapon is considered a combatant if they are killed during a strike. Being a conservative, I am completely cool with this. Also props to him for going full blast on the use of drones to knock them out.
However, his domestic policy will be the ruin of this country if it continues.
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acole1 said...
A change in the overall mission, and changes in tactics has NOTHING to do with the president, ecspecially from one that has never served a day in his life. It's done by the task force commanders, the location commanders, and the local troops on the ground. Obama was not the shot caller when it came down to Osama bin ladens death, that was going to happen regardless of his decision. Intelligence in today's special operations unit would blow your mind. The assets are simply unreal.
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It still comes down to an executive decision to sign an order to execute the mission.
Obama signs off on each target on the "kill list". The CIA can't just decide to drop a hellfire missle on a "shady" caravan. Like the Military, the intelligence service has a clear chain of command and rules of engagement. This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore when the CIA could act at will intervening in foreign governments and conducting assassinations.
The Bush administration was told that Osama Bin Laden was in Torah Borah, we had Navy Seals or Delta Force guys on a base an hour away, and General Tommy Frank and Secretary of State Rumsfield REFUSED to send them in. Instead we bombed the mountains for a weeks with B-52s and asked a bunch of Afganis with a half dozen American officers to finish the job.
Bill Clinton had actionable intelligence that Osama Bin Laden was on his farm in Afghanistan in the late 90's, and instead of sending in the Seals,(granted not an easy task at the time politically or logistically) he waited and waited to sign an order, and we sent in Cruise Missles hours after Osama left the farm, killing a couple of goats and a few people.
All you guys acting like Obama just happened to be "around" when we killed Bin Laden are idiots. Yes the intelligence was built up during the Bush era, but Obama still had to sign off on the mission and live with the political consequences of the mission. The Republicans and Fixed News would of had a field day, if 6 Navy Seals died invading the home of a some low level Opium dealer in Abbotabad, Pakistan.
John F. Kennedy didn't just happen to be in office during the "Cuban Missile Crisis". The administration had to make choices and decisions that lead up to the outcome. The same is true of the decision to send in Seals, when there were other options.
Of course drones have been in use for over a decade, but the "Liberal" media isn't out conjuring up a story and telling Pakistanis to get upset about the INCREASE in attacks. They live there and they see a dramatic increase in the use of drones. Its silly to pretend that there isn't a change in policy.
Its okay to be a conservative, and say "yeah Obama got ONE thing right." Its petulant and ignorant to assume that Bush wouldv'e done the same thing, when he a misused his opportunity to use Seals on Osama, and his administration was cosy with General Musharaff and refused to actively pursue targets in Pakistan the way this administration has.
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If you think there is something inaccurate about my comments on the chart, then it isn't me that doesn't know how to read a chart. I suppose you may be talking about the text accompanying the chart, which uses arbitrary time periods to make it seem like there has been actual growth in the private sector. The chart clearly shows otherwise. The line for private sector growth is right at zero, slightly above it. It obviously shows a good trend that will produce actual job growth if it holds, but that is a projection, not where we are right now.
Public sector is down 3%. I'm sure you libs are upset about that, but that's the one redeeming quality about that chart.
Regardless, as stated before, the main economic problem this country faces is runaway government spending, which Obama has been taken from already ridiculous levels into the realm of the absurd. Something tells me you won't be linking any charts on that topic.
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BamaGrad00 said...
If you think there is something inaccurate about my comments on the chart, then it isn't me that doesn't know how to read a chart. I suppose you may be talking about the text accompanying the chart, which uses arbitrary time periods to make it seem like there has been actual growth in the private sector. The chart clearly shows otherwise. The line for private sector growth is right at zero, slightly above it. It obviously shows a good trend that will produce actual job growth if it holds, but that is a projection, not where we are right now.
Public sector is down 3%. I'm sure you libs are upset about that, but that's the one redeeming quality about that chart.
Regardless, as stated before, the main economic problem this country faces is runaway government spending, which Obama has been taken from already ridiculous levels into the realm of the absurd. Something tells me you won't be linking any charts on that topic.
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I still don't understand how "runaway government spending" is causing any of today's economic woes. People only make inaccurate comparisons to the Greek crisis. In fact, with all of Obama's deficit spending, US rates borrowing rates have hit a record low(albeit in a time of low interest worldwide). If anything Obama hasn't engaged in enough deficit spending, overall public sector job growth should not be negative in the time of a recession.
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A change in the overall mission, and changes in tactics has NOTHING to do with the president, ecspecially from one that has never served a day in his life. It's done by the task force commanders, the location commanders, and the local troops on the ground. Obama was not the shot caller when it came down to Osama bin ladens death, that was going to happen regardless of his decision. Intelligence in today's special operations unit would blow your mind. The assets are simply unreal.
I dream of a day when chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
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