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  • CRgator1 said...

    Rondo was injured in the playoffs last yr, literally only played with one arm.

    I dont think Wade has been m.i.a., it looks like thats the gm plan. Lebron goes hard qtrs. 1-3, Wade goes after the last 5-6 mins.

    My point is that, they dont have anybody to facilitate for them. People complain about LBJ not posting up enough, but how can he when Chalmers cant beat anybody or get the ball to him down there.

    Pg play and reb is serious serious business in the playoffs. The heat are really bad at both.

    Well Celts are the worst rebounding team in the league.

    And Wade has been very inconsistent recently, doesn't have to do with game plan, has to do with him vanishing.

    We will see is all I have to say.

    Funny people are all silent then Heat lose 3 games, and every goes nuts. This Heat team is better than last year.

    8-2 vs. these two teams in the playoffs, let's talk when it matters.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    They did pretty well last year, and that was without Battier, healthy Mike Miller, and healthy UD Haslem.

    We shall see.

    BTW Celts aren't really all that good.

    Well how are the Heat good?

    The Celtics have been the better team since the allstar break. With the most wins in the NBA, including 2 over the Heat.

    So only the first half of the season counts? Cause the Heat have flat out sucked this 2nd half.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    DWade, and LBJ.

    When you have superstars in basketball, a magical switch is a reality. LBJ and Wade have a good game together no one is beating them.

    Heat were 9-6 in March before going 6-1 into the playoffs and coasted to the finals. Guess that wasn't realistic either.

    Classic overreaction to regular season games, and even funnier because people are so desperate for them to fail.

    If you guys are so confident let's make a sig bet. I'm the one manning up, you guys seem so confident why not step up?

    That's just not true. They both had good games last night, the Big 3 combine for 71 points themselves, and they still lost. Name me one team that has ever won a championship while being carried completely by 1 or 2 players.

    This isn't a overreaction to one game. They're 13-9 since the break and it's the exact same problem that killed them last year.

    And I'm not making a "sig bet" because I'm not 13 years old. I don't need to make a stupid meaningless bet to prove to anyone that I know what I'm talking about.

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  • CRgator1 said...

    Well how are the Heat good?

    The Celtics have been the better team since the allstar break. With the most wins in the NBA, including 2 over the Heat.

    So only the first half of the season counts? Cause the Heat have flat out sucked this 2nd half.

    Because the Heat have Wade and LBJ homeslice. Basketball is a star sport. Celtics have Rondo and some old has beens (KG is still a beast) but Pierce and Allen are shooters at this point essentially. Avery Bradley Stiemsma going to get bitched if they play come playoff time.

    The Celtics are overhyped yet again, and once again will be gone second round.

    At the end of the day, the Heat only have to play either the Bulls or the Celtics anyway.

    I don't pay attention to trends, because once Wade and LBJ hit playoff time they will be playing ball, especially DWade.

    Bosh just needs to hold his own.

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    That's just not true. They both had good games last night, the Big 3 combine for 71 points themselves, and they still lost. Name me one team that has ever won a championship while being carried completely by 1 or 2 players.

    This isn't a overreaction to one game. They're 13-9 since the break and it's the exact same problem that killed them last year.

    And I'm not making a "sig bet" because I'm not 13 years old. I don't need to make a stupid meaningless bet to prove to anyone that I know what I'm talking about.

    They'll be in the finals.

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    That's just not true. They both had good games last night, the Big 3 combine for 71 points themselves, and they still lost. Name me one team that has ever won a championship while being carried completely by 1 or 2 players.

    This isn't a overreaction to one game. They're 13-9 since the break and it's the exact same problem that killed them last year.

    And I'm not making a "sig bet" because I'm not 13 years old. I don't need to make a stupid meaningless bet to prove to anyone that I know what I'm talking about.

    Wade had a good game? Or he had a good stretch? Wade had 20 points, that's not good by his standards.

    Yes it is an overreaction, Heat will be fine come playoffs. They could by 34-34 all year and it doesn't make a difference. They are entrenched in the 2 seed and won't play anyone until conference finals. That's at least another 8 games to get their chit right.

    Want to make a real bet then? You might know basketball, but me thinks you are one of those cats clouded with Heat hate. You wouldn't be the first to write the Heat off prematurely and won't be the last.

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  • BamaShack said...

    They'll be in the finals.

    Yessir.

    Someone needs to lay Taj Gibson the phuck out early also. That kid is such a punk b!tch. Wouldn't mind if Turiaf put him in hospital next time he is raising his arms like a buffoon. What a clown.

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  • But gobigblue21 if you aren't going to back your talk up with any substance, why are you even talking?

    The amount of tools in this forum claiming they know basketball is astounding. They only "know" basketball when it pertains to the Heat playing badly.

    We shall see. I imagine when the Heat walk all over the Celts, or Bulls you will be MIA though.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Because the Heat have Wade and LBJ homeslice. Basketball is a star sport. Celtics have Rondo and some old has beens (KG is still a beast) but Pierce and Allen are shooters at this point essentially. Avery Bradley Stiemsma going to get bitched if they play come playoff time.

    The Celtics are overhyped yet again, and once again will be gone second round.

    At the end of the day, the Heat only have to play either the Bulls or the Celtics anyway.

    I don't pay attention to trends, because once Wade and LBJ hit playoff time they will be playing ball, especially DWade.

    Bosh just needs to hold his own.

    I agree with most of this, especially about Wade and DWade.

    But, if you look around at the potential matchups, the Heat are at a severe disadvantage in their problem areas.

    Pacers- Collison/Post play/Rebs

    Magic-Howard/Rebs

    Celtics-Rondo/Rebs

    Bulls-Rose/bench/Rebs

    Not saying the Heat wont be favored, because obviously they will be, but Wade and LBJ are gonna be used too much just to make it out the east.

    The Heat are really getting all their defense, assists, blocks, steals, points, etc from Wade and LBJ.

    Lebron is gonna have to play the point, and set Bosh and Wade up. Thats the only way they win, which would also be the simplest fashion for them to win.

    LBJ could be the best pg in the world if he gave it a shot.

    CRgator1

  • mriderblue12 said...

    The amount of tools in this forum claiming they know basketball is astounding. They only "know" basketball when it pertains to the Heat playing badly.

    We shall see. I imagine when the Heat walk all over the Celts, or Bulls you will be MIA though.

    I dont know if you're tossing this my way, but if so, its unwarranted.

    For the record, the Heat would smoke the Bulls in the playoffs. Because nobody plays their bench that deep in the playoffs.

    The only team with a 50-50 shot would be the Celtics.

    Thats because the Heat havent found an answer for Rondo yet.

    CRgator1

  • So as long as LBJ and D Wade turn it on in the playoffs it's a cake walk to the finals? You do realize that even the 90's era Bulls needed Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper to win championships. And the Heat dont have the greatest closer of games to ever live, they don't even have a closer period.

    You're right, I hate the Heat. And its precisely because of people like you who believe that if you put D Wade and LeBron on the same team thats all you need and everyone else might as well pack it in. TEAMS win championships. Once again please name me one team in NBA history that was completely carried by 2 players? You won't be able to. Unless the supporting cast steps up or just shows up at all, the Hear aren't winning anything. Even then you still have to count on LeBron not choking. He's appointed the best player in the league because he's the most physically gifted but it's been 9 years and he still hasn't won anything. You wanna be great you win championships not MVP's.

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  • CRgator1 said...

    Lebron is gonna have to play the point, and set Bosh and Wade up. Thats the only way they win, which would also be the simplest fashion for them to win.

    LBJ could be the best pg in the world if he gave it a shot.

    For this to work, Wade and Bosh actually need to play basketball. The Heat are 13-9 post all-star break should be much worse because LBJ is doing essentially everything.

    And LBJ makes the proper basketball play every game, he doesn't care about scoring because if he did he would be averaging 30+ a game. The Heat need him to score right now because Bosh sucks ass.

    Bosh is averaging 15 a game, shooting 40% in April. That's 3 below his scoring average and 8% below his shooting average.

    Wade has been hurt on and off. Averaging 19 and shooting 42%, which is 3.5 below average and 7% below shooting average.

    These guys play what they should be playing like the Heat aren't struggling nearly as badly.

    And where on earth was Haslem in the 2nd half?

    Heat need to roll with:

    Chalmers, Wade, LBJ, Haslem, Bosh

    Work in Turiaf, Miller, Battier to keep those 5 guys fresh.

    Also No. Cole needs time, 2nd unit needs a shot creator and penetrator which Cole provides.

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  • CRgator1 said...

    I dont know if you're tossing this my way, but if so, its unwarranted.

    For the record, the Heat would smoke the Bulls in the playoffs. Because nobody plays their bench that deep in the playoffs.

    The only team with a 50-50 shot would be the Celtics.

    Thats because the Heat havent found an answer for Rondo yet.

    No I'm not talking you Gator. You have proven your worth and stuck around. It's guys who appear for 2 days and disappear when the Heat play well again.

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    So as long as LBJ and D Wade turn it on in the playoffs it's a cake walk to the finals? You do realize that even the 90's era Bulls needed Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper to win championships. And the Heat dont have the greatest closer of games to ever live, they don't even have a closer period.

    You're right, I hate the Heat. And its precisely because of people like you who believe that if you put D Wade and LeBron on the same team thats all you need and everyone else might as well pack it in. TEAMS win championships. Once again please name me one team in NBA history that was completely carried by 2 players? You won't be able to. Unless the supporting cast steps up or just shows up at all, the Hear aren't winning anything. Even then you still have to count on LeBron not choking. He's appointed the best player in the league because he's the most physically gifted but it's been 9 years and he still hasn't won anything. You wanna be great you win championships not MVP's.

    And there goes credibility.

    Check the stats of Bosh/ Wade during the Heat's recent struggles hombre.

    Bosh and Wade both wayyyy below averages, shooting at a lower percentage.

    Leave the hate at home, because it ruins your argument.

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  • Im a die hard Kobe fan, and I even admit that DWade and LBJ are better than him, atp.

    Wade will be there in the playoffs. LBJ will be there in the playoffs.

    Im not tripping off of last night, because the Bulls wont see Korver hitting 30 footers in the playoffs.

    If LBJ plays that pg position, they roll through anybody easily.

    When Chalmers brings the ball up the court, the defense can setup whatever defense they choose because he's looking to get rid of the ball.

    When LBJ is the primary ball handler, the defense must stay honest, and not being able to cheat on LBJ means a triple-double

    CRgator1

  • I'm talking about the playoffs. No doubt about it LeBron is the best player in the league during the regular season and it isnt even close. But at some point in the playoffs in each of the last 3-4 years when his team has gone into the playoffs as the best team in their conference, he didn't show up. The last few games of the Finals last year were really bad he was completely out of sorts.

    Look I won't be surprised if the Heat win a championship. It would be ignorant to think that they don't have all the pieces to make that happen. I just think its ridiculous that you think they're just uninterested right now but come playoff time they'll just snap out of it. You think LeBron isn't in playoff mode right now? He even called that game against OKC last week a playoff game.

    I just don't agree with you that it's gonna be an easy stroll through the playoffs because two players will turn it on. They have a serious identity crisis and I just think at some point in the playoffs it will be exposed.

    And I still haven't seen any legitimate evidence for why the celtics suck.Its very easy to say they're too old but literally everyone thought that 2 years ago and they came one game away from another championship

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  • CRgator1 said...

    Im a die hard Kobe fan, and I even admit that DWade and LBJ are better than him, atp.

    Wade will be there in the playoffs. LBJ will be there in the playoffs.

    Im not tripping off of last night, because the Bulls wont see Korver hitting 30 footers in the playoffs.

    If LBJ plays that pg position, they roll through anybody easily.

    When Chalmers brings the ball up the court, the defense can setup whatever defense they choose because he's looking to get rid of the ball.

    When LBJ is the primary ball handler, the defense must stay honest, and not being able to cheat on LBJ means a triple-double

    Yeh I agree, Chalmers needs to be posting up in the corners and primarily shooting. I want to see LBJ a little more assertive also than he has been recently.

    Like I said earlier Gator, I am not talking about you when I was talking about the lack of knowledge. You know your chit and have been talking ball for a bit here now.

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    I'm talking about the playoffs. No doubt about it LeBron is the best player in the league during the regular season and it isnt even close. But at some point in the playoffs in each of the last 3-4 years when his team has gone into the playoffs as the best team in their conference, he didn't show up. The last few games of the Finals last year were really bad he was completely out of sorts.

    Look I won't be surprised if the Heat win a championship. It would be ignorant to think that they don't have all the pieces to make that happen. I just think its ridiculous that you think they're just uninterested right now but come playoff time they'll just snap out of it. You think LeBron isn't in playoff mode right now? He even called that game against OKC last week a playoff game.

    I just don't agree with you that it's gonna be an easy stroll through the playoffs because two players will turn it on. They have a serious identity crisis and I just think at some point in the playoffs it will be exposed.

    And I still haven't seen any legitimate evidence for why the celtics suck.Its very easy to say they're too old but literally everyone thought that 2 years ago and they came one game away from another championship

    I think LBJ is in playoff mode yes. I don't think Bosh and Wade are, check their #'s in April.

    Celtics have 1 great player, and a bunch of guys who are good not great. You stop Rondo (easier said than done) and they aren't doing anything. KG, and Allen aren't creating their own shots. And Pierce does every once in a while but he is aging and is lackluster on defense.

    And I love the perception LBJ has sucked in the playoffs. He bagged it his final year in Cleveland cuz Delonte fvcked his mom, bad excuse perhaps but reality. And last year he boned ass in the finals.

    Look at his #'s before the Mavs series how about you? He worked the Celtics went 30+ 3 out of 5 games and averaged around 8 rebounds with 5 assists per game.

    He worked the Bulls also. He had 2 bad games in those 1o games combined, no coincidence they got wiped both games.

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  • Outside of the Celtics, nobody has a legitimate shot to beat the Heat.

    The Magic and Pacers may force a gm 6.

    If I were the Heat Id be the Pacers biggest fan right now.

    As it stands, the Pacers 3rd/Celtics 4th, the Heat wont have to goto battle with the Celtics.

    That would give the Heat a big advantage.

    Im pretty sure the Bulls/Celtics series would be a hard, tough, gruesome battle. No way, at that point, one of those teams beat the Heat.

    If the Heat have to face the Celtics in the 2nd rd, it will be the best series in all of basketball.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    Outside of the Celtics, nobody has a legitimate shot to beat the Heat.

    The Magic and Pacers may force a gm 6.

    If I were the Heat Id be the Pacers biggest fan right now.

    As it stands, the Pacers 3rd/Celtics 4th, the Heat wont have to goto battle with the Celtics.

    That would give the Heat a big advantage.

    Im pretty sure the Bulls/Celtics series would be a hard, tough, gruesome battle. No way, at that point, one of those teams beat the Heat.

    If the Heat have to face the Celtics in the 2nd rd, it will be the best series in all of basketball.

    Agreed. I just looked at the Standings and unless Indiana chokes they should hold up as the #3 seed though.

    Making up 2 games with 8 games is a tough chore. Especially when Indiana plays 6 of those 8 at home. Celtics need to play very well down the stretch. They do have the schedule to get it done though.

    I honestly have no idea about the West though. I don't think OKC is a lock by any means, Lakers, Spurs, and Memphis are all going to be solid in the playoffs. And I guess you can't count out Dallas.

    This post was edited by mriderblue12 on 4/13/2012 at 3:33 PM

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    I think LBJ is in playoff mode yes. I don't think Bosh and Wade are, check their #'s in April.

    Celtics have 1 great player, and a bunch of guys who are good not great. You stop Rondo (easier said than done) and they aren't doing anything. KG, and Allen aren't creating their own shots. And Pierce does every once in a while but he is aging and is lackluster on defense.

    And I love the perception LBJ has sucked in the playoffs. He bagged it his final year in Cleveland cuz Delonte fvcked his mom, bad excuse perhaps but reality. And last year he boned ass in the finals.

    Look at his #'s before the Mavs series how about you? He worked the Celtics went 30+ 3 out of 5 games and averaged around 8 rebounds with 5 assists per game.

    He worked the Bulls also. He had 2 bad games in those 1o games combined, no coincidence they got wiped both games.

    That's my point lol he dominated the C's and the bulls last year and I figured it was just his time. Then he finds himself backed up against a wall in the finals and doesn't show up.

    I agree with you I don't think it's fair to blame him for anything in Cleveland really outside that last year or two because those teams they put around him just weren't that good. I don't think there's much of an excuse for last years finals though other than he choked.

    And thank you for your opinion on the C's. All I was really looking for was some reasoning behind it cuz I'm pretty sick of everyone doubting this team simply because theyre old and just leaving it at that. However, I still disagree. KG and Paul still get their shots off on their own in a pretty regular basis. KG scores all of his points on pick and pops and his own post play, there's really not much that's shutting that down other than him just missing shots. Especially since he's moved to the 5 cuz other centers really aren't gonna go 15 feet away from the basket and chase him out there. And Paul still gets it done, still gets his moves off on just about anyone. His scoring numbers are down cuz he had a reallyyy slow start as did the rest of the team but there isnt much digression from the Paul Pierce who was finals MVP not too long ago. And with Ray and Pietrus off the bench they have something they haven't had since 08 which is consistent bench scoring. Say what you want about Bradley and Stiemsma but all you're asking out of these guys is specific roles which they both do very well. Bradley which is energy and defense and Stiemsma which is rebounding and defense.

    And I literally have no idea how you shut down rondo and I don't think anyone else does either. You can put LBJ on him and try to keep him out of the lane but the C's will just pick and roll you all day until you switch off or leave bass or KG open for a jumper.

    Like I said, 2 months ago I was convinced this team had nothing left but the tools are there. Doc is the best coach in the league and he's gotten the most out of these guys down the stretch, and they all know this is pretty much their last crack at it so I don't see them fading away any time soon. Not guaranteeing anything other than the Heat will not run over them the way they did last year.

    This post was edited by mac1992 on 4/13/2012 at 3:35 PM

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  • Heat fans are the same guys who were Laker fans three years ago.....their other favorite teams are the Cowboys, Yankees and whoever won a BCS title fairly recently.

    The Heat are a team that anyone with a tiny speck of self respect could never like. They are a group of mercenary's who fly in the face of anything good about basketball as a team sport.

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  • Out West, it depends on Bynum and Gasol. I think they are a tougher combo than Westbrook/Durant.

    OKC, is obviously the stronger team, between them and the Lakers.

    Its all about matchups out west. The Lakers would struggle immensely against the Grizz/Thunder.

    The Spurs would have big problems against the Lakers/Clippers.

    The Thunder struggle against the Spurs.

    If Kobe swallows his pride, and plays inside out, they could make to the conf finals.

    But, for my money, Id go Grizz vs Thunders.

    CRgator1

  • Is it a safe bet that Indiana makes it past Orlando/Atlanta in that first round? Other than that first round battle with the Bulls last year they're fairly new to playoff basketball, especially as a group with the new additions of West and Hill. I'd see them getting past Orlando as I think they've always been overrated and especially with the mess going on there right now. But if they squeak out a one game lead over the last 8 I think Atlanta could give them a very tough series.

    Anyone know of the possibility of a Al Horford return for the playoffs? It seems pretty unlikely right now with two weeks left but I've never seen anything saying he's officially out for the year

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Yessir.

    Someone needs to lay Taj Gibson the phuck out early also. That kid is such a punk b!tch. Wouldn't mind if Turiaf put him in hospital next time he is raising his arms like a buffoon. What a clown.

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