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Holsey Reconsidering....

  • kitemac said...

    I agree. I don't really mind him switching (don't get me wrong I wanted him in our class) but if you are going to do it and know you are for almost 3 weeks don't go about it like he did. Don't play us and lie to are coaches and just about everyone else. Just was poorly handled IMO.

    Yeah because Brent Calloway switching on TV last year was ok. Did you complain about that? You know the Bama staff wasn't even aware of that before seeing it on TV right? I'm sure I couldn't find one post from an AU fan complaning about how that was handled. Maybe those 3 weeks he was 'lying', he was really thinking it over. That decision he just made had a huge affect on his life.

    What i'm saying is... there isn't a good way to handle a switch. ESPECIALLY when your going to the rival school. According to the AU message boards, you guys are deeper at RB than Bama is so its not like it hurt you with depth. AU is a major program and the only think hurt by TJ's switch was your pride. You guys will probably get us back next year. It happens.

    Bamadad08

  • bhiley77 said...

    I'm curious when Saban made this statement. Was it before or after the Calloway/Cyrus K episodes of last year? I think it seems more likely Saban was referring to gentleman's agreements, the sort which are rendered null and void when the other party doesn't play along?

    It was said on February 4th, 2010. So yes, well before Calloway/Cyrus K.

    Gotta love that hypocrisy.

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  • Gray said...

    Gotta love that hypocrisy.

    I hate to sound like a douche, but, there's a lot of that going on ITT when you compare your reactions to TJY and BC/CK.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    I hate to sound like a douche, but, there's a lot of that going on ITT when you compare your reactions to TJY and BC/CK.

    Haha, hard to argue with that.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    Is Saban supposed to roll over and play dead?

    Preferably.

    Big A

  • Big A said...

    Preferably.

    Okay, had to up-vote this one... I lol'd and wouldn't feel right not "+1"ing a post that made me spit coffee on my screen.

    Crims0nTider

  • sf2k4 said...

    I hate to sound like a douche, but, there's a lot of that going on ITT when you compare your reactions to TJY and BC/CK.

    When was CK committed to bama before he signed?

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  • The nail in the coffin for me with the entire rivals site is when JLee posted all that guys personal information on his website.

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  • Is everyone on here this gullible that they really think that players are not recruited until signing day. Part of Nick Saban's quote mentioned that he wished that there was an early signing period so that players that were 100% sure, could put it on paper so that they didn't have to deal with the all the coaches continuing to hound them over their committment. The other reason is that it gives coaching staffs an accurate view of where they are at with their class.

    Alabama people get mad when their commits go elsewhere, Auburn people do the same, and so does everyone else. No one is above this, untouched by this, or better than anyone in any of these actions.

    There is no sense complaining about it. If you are basing your existance on the decisions of 16 and 17 year old kids, I feel sorry for you, regardless of what team you support. Personally I think that it says more about a kid's character when they stay to their word and those kids tend to be the type of players that end up being more successful.

    There are exceptions of course in this as I think Cyrus is a different story with his family being a great part of his decision. I am sure they wanted him to make his own decision, but I will also bet that he saw some reaction from them and started questioning is choice. It had nothing to do with Auburn, as Auburn is a great choice for any kid to go to school and play football.

    As far as Calloway, it would not surprise me one bit if this kid is a tremendous bust. Honestly, if there wasn't some room left last year in our class, I don't think Saban would have gone back after him. He is not going to be a great RB, IMO, and he needs to get back on the defensive side of the ball. If he stays put on offense, he will make for good depth, but nothing more.

    BetterOff

  • Wogs said...

    The nail in the coffin for me with the entire rivals site is when JLee posted all that guys personal information on his website.

    He did what?

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  • Bo Knows said...

    No, your reasoning was retarded. You were saying since Newberg's opinion on where people end up had been wrong in the past, his quotes from a coach were stupid to pay attention to. And they aren't. In general, coaches don't put out press releases that outright lie about a kid's commitment status at his behest two days before a switch.

    You threw an outright fit at the thought of TJ switching schools. Demanding Jlee and PM were dead on. I simply stated we shall see. We did see and at the end of the day Lucky knew what he was talking out. Simple as that.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Holsey is very, very good.

    well... he's going to bama now.

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  • BamaShack said...

    You threw an outright fit at the thought of TJ switching schools. Demanding Jlee and PM were dead on. I simply stated we shall see. We did see and at the end of the day Lucky knew what he was talking out. Simple as that.

    lol

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  • Crims0nTider said...

    Apparently only a couple days before Gus left for Arkansas State... Frankly, the Auburn coaches may not have known Gus was leaving. So it could've been Gus lying to the other Auburn coaches. But either way, it's never good for recruiting.

    Nobody knew Gus was leaving, but that is recruiting and the recruits should know that...
    Yeldon should have called and explained to the coaches that he was reopening his recruitment due to the lack of an offensive identity in the future for AU, waited a few days, then committed to Bama. It's not his switch that pisses me off, its how he did it. He handled it as poorly as possible.

    Yeldon is in the wrong and you know it. This is like leading a chick on until prom and on the day of another girl shows you her tits and you leave your GF of 7 months without even telling her.

    Yeldon is a punk ass bitch and I think if you took off your very biased glasses, you would see that his switch was completely classless and a total bitch move.

    This post was edited by CptAUmerica21 on 12/20/2011 at 4:29 PM

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  • Gray said...

    He did what?

    that guy was posting illegal info on Cam...

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  • Crims0nTider said...

    They told him Gus wasn't leaving.

    I don't believe that even a little bit. Mostly because they (Chizik and Luper) met with him in his home the day before Malzahn announced he was leaving. The main reason for the visit was to tell TJ Malzahn was leaving before he heard it publicly. Not to mention the fact that Chizik has fielded questions openly about what his plans are should Gus leave. It's not been a secret to anyone, publicly or privately, that Gus was likely to leave at any time.

    The potential lie I heard was that Luper had said (quite a while ago) that he wasn't going anywhere, and then later was reported to have interviewed at UAB. Now that part could be true. Either way, Luper and Chizik met with and spoke to him quite a few times AFTER the UAB interview and Yeldon continued to affirm his commitment.

    As is the case with the vast majority of Auburn fans, it's not a huge deal that he switched. I mean, it is a huge deal, he's likely to be a very good player, so no one just shrugs that off as if it means nothing. It sucks. But you know, you win some and lose some, that's the way it goes. It sucks, but it has never made me mad.

    But the problem most had (have) with Yeldon was the constant, public reassurance of his commitment. Especially the release that was unprovoked on Wednesday (?) last week when the coach basically said, "there are a lot of rumors, and to shut everyone up, he (TJ) wanted me to make it clear he's still solid to Auburn".

    That was crap. If you're confused or doubting your decision, then don't come out proactively on your own and announce you are still committed when you clearly aren't (weren't). I don't know whose idea it was, but it was fairly low, even for SEC recruiting.

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  • aumajorpain said...

    Nobody knew Gus was leaving, but that is recruiting and the recruits should know that... Yeldon should have called and explained to the coaches that he was reopening his recruitment due to the lack of an offensive identity in the future for AU, waited a few days, then committed to Bama. It's not his switch that pisses me off, its how he did it. He handled it as poorly as possible.

    Yeldon is in the wrong and you know it. This is like leading a chick on until prom and on the day of another girl shows you her tits and you leave your GF of 7 months without even telling her.

    Yeldon is a punk ass bitch and I think if you took off your very biased glasses, you would see that his switch was completely classless and a total bitch move.

    You know that I try to be as unbiassed as possible, but I think calling a 17 year old kid a "punk ass bitch" for choosing to go to school somewhere else is pretty classless, IMO. If you are just getting pissed because some Bama guy upsets you, be bigger than that. It makes you no better when you come back like this.

    Look at Craig Sanders. How long was he committed to Bama? Almost an entire year. Why did he leave? Auburn was a better fit for his skill set. Sanders wasn't going to be a 3-4 end and probably not a great fit as an OLB either. Look at Cam Newton. He was committed at MSU for a while as well and probably was a silent commit to Mullen much longer than that. He made the switch because I am sure that Gus and Trooper showed him the depth chart. The opening at QB, the experienced line, and the experienced receiving corps. When he saw that, he saw a chance to come in and be very successful and take it to the next level.

    Yeldon did the same thing. He saw what has happened in Tuscaloosa over the past 3 years with Ingram and Richardson, along with Lacy and Fowler getting a good bit of snaps as backups as well. He has a chance to make a great name for himself and possibly get to NYC if he is as good as he and others think he is. Of course, he will have to work to show it.

    In todays world in which coaches leave without telling their players face to face and coordinators that recruit players are at the same time looking for their next job, don't expect the players to be anymore respectful in their approach. The players have to listen to everyone tell them that it is just part of the business and it can be like that for them as well. Sometimes they don't handle things perfectly. Everybody can make a mistake like that.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    You know that I try to be as unbiassed as possible, but I think calling a 17 year old kid a "punk ass bitch" for choosing to go to school somewhere else is pretty classless, IMO.

    Again, that isn't what anyone is upset about.

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  • BetterOff said...

    You know that I try to be as unbiassed as possible, but I think calling a 17 year old kid a "punk ass bitch" for choosing to go to school somewhere else is pretty classless, IMO. If you are just getting pissed because some Bama guy upsets you, be bigger than that. It makes you no better when you come back like this.

    Look at Craig Sanders. How long was he committed to Bama? Almost an entire year. Why did he leave? Auburn was a better fit for his skill set. Sanders wasn't going to be a 3-4 end and probably not a great fit as an OLB either. Look at Cam Newton. He was committed at MSU for a while as well and probably was a silent commit to Mullen much longer than that. He made the switch because I am sure that Gus and Trooper showed him the depth chart. The opening at QB, the experienced line, and the experienced receiving corps. When he saw that, he saw a chance to come in and be very successful and take it to the next level.

    Yeldon did the same thing. He saw what has happened in Tuscaloosa over the past 3 years with Ingram and Richardson, along with Lacy and Fowler getting a good bit of snaps as backups as well. He has a chance to make a great name for himself and possibly get to NYC if he is as good as he and others think he is. Of course, he will have to work to show it.

    In todays world in which coaches leave without telling their players face to face and coordinators that recruit players are at the same time looking for their next job, don't expect the players to be anymore respectful in their approach. The players have to listen to everyone tell them that it is just part of the business and it can be like that for them as well. Sometimes they don't handle things perfectly. Everybody can make a mistake like that.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I didn't think Cam was committed to anywhere. BTW I don't think people are THAT upset that he switched just in the manner that he did. The day of dead period and putting out statwments through his coach just a few days before the switch that he was committed to Auburn. I do agree with you that he shouldn't be called names as he is very young still. I think he handled it poorly but I'm not going to call him a bunch of names for it. I think he is a great player but don't think he will make or break our team. Cam Newton did but he maybe the only player that I have seen in years for Auburn to do that. Not even Carnell did that even though he was great for us we had other RBs that were very very good. During Carnell's time here we had Ronnie Brown, Tre Smith, and Brandon Jacobs.

    Edit: meant Tre Smith not Tre Mason....

    This post was edited by kitemac on 12/20/2011 at 4:59 PM

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  • BetterOff said...

    You know that I try to be as unbiassed as possible, but I think calling a 17 year old kid a "punk ass bitch" for choosing to go to school somewhere else is pretty classless, IMO. If you are just getting pissed because some Bama guy upsets you, be bigger than that. It makes you no better when you come back like this.

    Look at Craig Sanders. How long was he committed to Bama? Almost an entire year. Why did he leave? Auburn was a better fit for his skill set. Sanders wasn't going to be a 3-4 end and probably not a great fit as an OLB either. Look at Cam Newton. He was committed at MSU for a while as well and probably was a silent commit to Mullen much longer than that. He made the switch because I am sure that Gus and Trooper showed him the depth chart. The opening at QB, the experienced line, and the experienced receiving corps. When he saw that, he saw a chance to come in and be very successful and take it to the next level.

    Yeldon did the same thing. He saw what has happened in Tuscaloosa over the past 3 years with Ingram and Richardson, along with Lacy and Fowler getting a good bit of snaps as backups as well. He has a chance to make a great name for himself and possibly get to NYC if he is as good as he and others think he is. Of course, he will have to work to show it.

    In todays world in which coaches leave without telling their players face to face and coordinators that recruit players are at the same time looking for their next job, don't expect the players to be anymore respectful in their approach. The players have to listen to everyone tell them that it is just part of the business and it can be like that for them as well. Sometimes they don't handle things perfectly. Everybody can make a mistake like that.

    I am 21 not 40 like you BetterOff. I am his age, and yes, he can beat my ass.

    IDC, what he did was wrong. It was a low blow in the world of recruiting. Callaway disappeared, not by choice, but we expected that.

    I'm not mad about him switching to Alabama. (Like you think.)

    I am mad about how he lied to us and the coaches.

    I am mad about how he got his parents to lie too.

    I am also mad that he got his coach to lie.

    I am also mad about him waiting until AU cannot contact him. It was a bitch move and you know it.

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  • BetterOff said...

    You know that I try to be as unbiassed as possible, but I think calling a 17 year old kid a "punk ass bitch" for choosing to go to school somewhere else is pretty classless, IMO. If you are just getting pissed because some Bama guy upsets you, be bigger than that. It makes you no better when you come back like this.

    Look at Craig Sanders. How long was he committed to Bama? Almost an entire year. Why did he leave? Auburn was a better fit for his skill set. Sanders wasn't going to be a 3-4 end and probably not a great fit as an OLB either. Look at Cam Newton. He was committed at MSU for a while as well and probably was a silent commit to Mullen much longer than that. He made the switch because I am sure that Gus and Trooper showed him the depth chart. The opening at QB, the experienced line, and the experienced receiving corps. When he saw that, he saw a chance to come in and be very successful and take it to the next level.

    Yeldon did the same thing. He saw what has happened in Tuscaloosa over the past 3 years with Ingram and Richardson, along with Lacy and Fowler getting a good bit of snaps as backups as well. He has a chance to make a great name for himself and possibly get to NYC if he is as good as he and others think he is. Of course, he will have to work to show it.

    In todays world in which coaches leave without telling their players face to face and coordinators that recruit players are at the same time looking for their next job, don't expect the players to be anymore respectful in their approach. The players have to listen to everyone tell them that it is just part of the business and it can be like that for them as well. Sometimes they don't handle things perfectly. Everybody can make a mistake like that.

    Read my post.....it's not that he switched that draws the most ire.

    PS. I actually don't really blame him too much...he's a kid, in my opinion the classless way he handled things down the stretch should be blamed on the adults around him...whether that be his coach, his parents, or Alabama coaches. Those are the one's that should have made him make decisions like a man, but instead they used him to play games and made him look like liar. The adults are the losers in this story.

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  • I'm pretty sure Sanders did not stare into Saban's eyes a day before not personally telling Saban he was switching, I am also sure that he didn't have his parents or coaches lie to the media.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    ...And if it was 100% identical but switching from Alabama to Auburn, you'd have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever.

    BTW, I loved the "not by choice" comment in there. Priceless.

    had to throw it in for comic relief. (so people wouldn't think I was throwing shit or something)

    I try to hold myself to a standard of integrity... I would be happy he switched, but not in the manner of which it was done.

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