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Oh. My. God. I'm not trying to argue that Obama's vacation expenses are necessarily ok, all I'm saying is that you're being an idiot if you think either of us can really definitely discover which president spent more on vacations.

"I think it is silly to compare 8 years of expenses to one vacation, and then point out the obvious of the 8 years exceeding the cost of one vacation."

Jesus. You really don't get it. Getting pissy about any specific numbers is pointless. You're also acting like Obama's $4M vacation isn't a complete outlier when it comes to his vacation costs (at least, for those costs we're aware of). Regardless of how much either president spent, it's just stupid to get all worked up over specific, oft-quoted numbers when we have no basis of comparison and even the numbers themselves are ridiculously small sample sizes. Case in point:

"It doesn't matter. $4 million is effing ridiculous."

And I can say that $20M is effing ridiculous. See how that gets us nowhere, since neither of those numbers actually show how much either president spent?

"And why are you assuming the same does not go for Obama? I think every president has an incentive to down play how much their vacations cost when their electorate is paying for it."

At what point did I ever indicate that I believed the same didn't go for Obama?

"But of course it is ok for you to speculate...just not me. Let me point you to where you said, 'you can be damn sure that the actual cost of Bush's vacations far exceeded $20M.'"

Wait, seriously? That's not speculation, that's a fact. If the flights to Texas alone cost $20M, it's simply logically impossible for the overall cost of Bush's vacations to not exceed $20M. I'm not speculating as to any actual figure for how much the cost exceeded $20M, but unless we're sending the POTUS all over the US/world with no secret service protection, no armored vehicles, no service staff, and no extra amenities whatsoever, it's simply impossible for the actual cost of Bush's vacations not to exceed $20M. That's not speculation, that's basic logic.

CMXI, I think we both are jumping to assumptions about what we believe. I agree $20 million is ridiculous (I think I even said it but I am done copying and pasting quotes back and forth), but a $4 million vacation is a lot. I understand all the things that come with a president and his family on his vacation, but when people can't pay their mortgages...it looks bad.

Bush spent us into a debt crisis, and Obama is doing the same thing. Can we agree?

I thought that Bush was the worst President ever. To see you constantly compare your savior to Bush would make it seem that Bush was the best President ever and Obama only needs to perform close to him to be successful. Which one is it? If A&M lost to Mississippi State next year would you justify it by saying that it was all good because Auburn lost to them too?

Every minute Obama is on a golf course is a minute he is not using to destroy America.