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  • tdwhite88 said...

    Why don't you go read an article other than the AJC about the kid's enrollment. Both Alabama sites have articles on him with direct quotes from him and doctor's which leave out the total bias which is included in the Atlanta article.

    im sure theres no bias on the bama sites

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  • AUVTM said...

    I am not pissed It seems perfectly fine with me to string a kid along for over a year. Then keep him on the hook with empty promises and illegal enticements. Especially when we all know the kids heart is being ripped out by a process that gave him dreams of playing for a premeir program only to cast him aside when it became clear his value not what it once was. Everything is totally above boards there iyam. Rtr

    lol

    Illegal enticements? lol again

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  • RedandBlackDawg said...

    The kid states in the article, that they are gonna get me a job. I was under the impression that if they, meaning Alabama got him a job, since he is not on their roster, that that would constitute an illegal enticement of that recruit. Like in, an "illegal benefit". What category of recruitment does a practice like this constitute anyway, "Stock piling future recruit, with illegal enticements?" I am not by any means a legal expert and certainly not as savvy as Saban is at getting around the rules, but isn't this a violation? Did Saban make a promise and it comes back to bite him in the butt on this one? I am sure he did not think this kid would actually reveal that information. Now what will probably be said, in a half A** attempt at a correction, is I errr, meant to say, I wuz gonna get a job and Saban is gonna give me a letter saying he will sign me in 2013. Young man, if you, your parents and that stupid coach you have in high school have any brains at all, run , and run as fast as your rehabbing knee can take you, as far away from this mess as you can. If necessary, go to a JUCO, and get a head start on some of your studies, because otherwise, you are now wasting at least a year of your life.

    Yes. Once a kid hits 9th grade, no one connected with an NCAA member school can provide any extra benefits unless they had a preexisting relationship with him or his family. I highly doubt Coach Saban qualifies in this case as a "close friend of the family". If Alabama actually did tell this kid they would find him a job while he waits, it is a major nono.

    MrWoodson

  • maize&blue21 said...

    This kid is stupid if he actually believes he is going to Alabama next year. Slime ball of a coach too, you offered that kid a scholarship you don't cut him loose because someone better wants to commit. You wonder why Bama is so high up in the rankings because they are never limited on scholarships and just cut players to make room for better players.

    The Big Ten will continue to go 1-2 vs. the SEC come bowl season unless we play their game. The NCAA should probably do something about this stuff but they won't because they are gutless. Kind of like Saban, zero pity.

    Harry Callahan

  • Here are the rules regarding employment of a prospect:

    13.2.3.2 Prior to Completion of Senior Year—Athletics Award Winners. An institution may employ
    a prospective student-athlete who is an athletics award winner in any department outside of intercollegiate athletics,
    provided the employment is arranged through normal institutional employment procedures (e.g., local
    newspaper, bulletin board listings) and without the intervention of any member of the institution’s coaching
    staff. Any compensation received by the prospective student-athlete must be for work actually performed and
    commensurate with the going rate for such services in the locale. For purposes of this bylaw, institutional recreation
    programs, even if reporting to the athletics director, may be considered outside the intercollegiate athletics
    department. An institution may hire a prospective student-athlete, who is an athletics award winner, in its
    recreation programs, only if recreation and facility managers and no intercollegiate coaches are involved with the
    hiring and supervision of these employees. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04)
    13.2.3.3 After Completion of Senior Year. An institution may arrange for employment or employ any prospective
    student-athlete (regardless of athletics award winner status), provided the employment does not begin
    prior to the completion of the prospective student-athlete’s senior year in high school. (See Bylaw 13.12.1.5.1.)

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  • RedandBlackDawg said...

    The kid states in the article, that they are gonna get me a job. I was under the impression that if they, meaning Alabama got him a job, since he is not on their roster, that that would constitute an illegal enticement of that recruit. Like in, an "illegal benefit". What category of recruitment does a practice like this constitute anyway, "Stock piling future recruit, with illegal enticements?" I am not by any means a legal expert and certainly not as savvy as Saban is at getting around the rules, but isn't this a violation? Did Saban make a promise and it comes back to bite him in the butt on this one? I am sure he did not think this kid would actually reveal that information. Now what will probably be said, in a half A** attempt at a correction, is I errr, meant to say, I wuz gonna get a job and Saban is gonna give me a letter saying he will sign me in 2013. Young man, if you, your parents and that stupid coach you have in high school have any brains at all, run , and run as fast as your rehabbing knee can take you, as far away from this mess as you can. If necessary, go to a JUCO, and get a head start on some of your studies, because otherwise, you are now wasting at least a year of your life.

    by-law 13.2.3.3 After Completion of Senior Year. An institution may arrange for employment or employ any pro- spective student-athlete (regardless of athletics award winner status), provided the employment does not begin prior to the completion of the prospective student-athlete’s senior year in high school.

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  • D&ST said...

    Here are the rules regarding employment of a prospect:

    13.2.3.2 Prior to Completion of Senior Year—Athletics Award Winners. An institution may employ a prospective student-athlete who is an athletics award winner in any department outside of intercollegiate athletics, provided the employment is arranged through normal institutional employment procedures (e.g., local newspaper, bulletin board listings) and without the intervention of any member of the institution’s coaching staff. Any compensation received by the prospective student-athlete must be for work actually performed and commensurate with the going rate for such services in the locale. For purposes of this bylaw, institutional recreation programs, even if reporting to the athletics director, may be considered outside the intercollegiate athletics department. An institution may hire a prospective student-athlete, who is an athletics award winner, in its recreation programs, only if recreation and facility managers and no intercollegiate coaches are involved with the hiring and supervision of these employees. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04) 13.2.3.3 After Completion of Senior Year. An institution may arrange for employment or employ any prospective student-athlete (regardless of athletics award winner status), provided the employment does not begin prior to the completion of the prospective student-athlete’s senior year in high school. (See Bylaw 13.12.1.5.1.)

    oops, I didn't see you already did that.

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  • panic1013 said...

    im sure theres no bias on the bama sites

    nor with you.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Did you read the article? He will be taking school of and football off for one year, Saban's excuse come next January will be "I don't think you are ready for D-1 football yet and since you didn't play this last year you will be buried in the depth chart, you can try to walk-on if you want"

    He will be taking off school for one semester. He will enroll at Alabama in January 2013. This has happened many times before.

    ASBamaguy

  • gatider12 said...

    by-law 13.2.3.3 After Completion of Senior Year. An institution may arrange for employment or employ any pro- spective student-athlete (regardless of athletics award winner status), provided the employment does not begin prior to the completion of the prospective student-athlete’s senior year in high school.

    I'm pretty sure this rule is intended to allow schools to assist players in obtaining summer employment at fair market compensation while they are part of the program. I don't think it is intended to allow schools to find jobs for and effectively "park" extra recruits they cannot fit on their roster until a scholarship opens up. Maybe it is a loophole and can be used that way, but it's the first I have ever heard of it.

    MrWoodson

  • mriderblue12 said...

    As far as I'm concerned, if it's not an egregious lie (Tressel), or a ridiculous payment (Cammy Cam) anything is fair game. Over-signing is only an issue for the B1G because they refuse to man up and get competitive.

    I completely agree with that

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I'm pretty sure this rule is intended to allow schools to assist players in obtaining summer employment at fair market compensation while they are part of the program. I don't think it is intended to allow schools to find jobs for and effectively "park" extra recruits they cannot fit on their roster until a scholarship opens up. Maybe it is a loophole and can be used that way, but it's the first I have ever heard of it.

    If that were what it was intended for, it would explicitly state that it was for finding jobs during the summer break. Stop pretending to be an expert on the NCAA rulebook.

    This post was edited by ASBamaguy on 1/16/2012 at 11:33 AM

    ASBamaguy

  • This kid is dumber than a box of dildos.

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  • ASBamaguy said...

    If that were what it was intended for, it would explicitly state that it was for finding jobs during the summer break.

    I won't argue with the language of the rule. It does appear vague enough to allow it. In that sense, it appears to be a loophole. However, it is hard to believe it was intended to be used for this purpose. Remember, the NCAA's rules apply across sports. They do not just apply to football. In many sports, players only receive partial scholarships and many need to work on the side during the school year to cover their tuition and living expenses. This rule would permit that as well as summer employment. But to think that the NCAA created a rule for the purpose of allowing schools to stockpile future talent above and beyond the scholarship limits by finding them jobs until a scholarship opens up is a major stretch. It runs contrary to the entire concept of having scholarship limits.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 1/16/2012 at 11:49 AM

    MrWoodson

  • Bottom line: Saban F's loopholes like Peter North.

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    devidee

  • The NCAA rulebook is full of rules that apply to only one sport or that exclude certain sports. If the NCAA feels this rule is being taken advantage of in an unfair way, they obviously can change it. As of now, though, it appears that nothing is being violated in this area. I really am not concerned with what a rule was intended for. I am concerned with what the rule states.

    ASBamaguy

  • So I have a question, what is so illegal, unethical, etc with finding a young man work? Especially if he is being paid according to work and not over compensated. In an age of 10% unemployment I would hope that my kid would have people help him get a job if he needed one. It's not even against the rules according to the NCAA manual, and also one more fact. No where does the AJC show Alabama provided, or has provided him with work. No where does it show other than a one sentence response to a question. No where does it show that the kid had discussed being grey-shirted in August of his commitment. It was always a possibility, as it was with Danny Woodson, Harrison Jones, William Vlachos, etc. etc...Alabama stuck with the kid when all the other schools bailed on him, and so he delays enrollment by 6 months. Thus saving him from burning a redshirt year. The kid still has a choice of other schools, and if he wants he can go to them.

    Also I find it hilarious when people complain about the ethics of Athletic Scholarships. Athletic Scholarships are the one area in all of College that is outside the norm. Most academic scholarships are also on one year deals, or semester deals. However, they are performance based. If a kid on an academic scholarship screws up his grades he loses his scholarship, and everyone in America says nothing, because they assume that it's ethical. That kid either then has to drop out of school or pay for it on his own. However, if you take a kid who doesn't perform on an athletic scholarship and just outright cut him, the coaches, administration etc. are considered to be the most unethical people in the world. It's an egregious offense, but in the academic world it happens to young men and women everyday. Why the double standard? One is because the academic world views scholarships as incentive to prep for your future. Those who are unable to perform are cut, just as they would be in the real world if they don't perform in a job market. I wish we ran athletics like we run academics on this case. Unfortunately many schools are stuck with kids who no longer can, or under perform to what they were given a scholarship for, and the school is stuck with them for 4 years because if they outright cut them they become social pariahs.

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  • Nicolae said...

    I think the kid doesn't have a problem because he doesn't really realize what is going on here yet. When it dawns on him finally that he will never go to Bama, he is gonna be pissed.

    BTW, so the "Kirby RAID!!!!" this year consists of one solid OT, one solid LB, a drastically overrated CB and a slot WR/scatback? Wow, Bama really does just have their way in GA...

    We've heard this nonsense about grayshirting biting us in the ass for years now, and it's yet to happen.

    And are you really talking recruiting shit when Bama is about to sign yet another consensus #1 class and just won it's second national title in three years? Yep, it really sucks to root for Bama these days.

    Pedro Guerrero

  • Few would trade their souls for your success, those that would hail from the SEC. You realize alot of schools could do what Alabama does, right? They just aren't willing to sacrifice decency for a couple extra football victories a year.

    Congrats on the title, Bama. Doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain outside of Bama.

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  • Spartan-Pride said...

    Few would trade their souls for your success, those that would hail from the SEC. You realize alot of schools could do what Alabama does, right? They just aren't willing to sacrifice decency for a couple extra football victories a year.

    Congrats on the title, Bama. Doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain outside of Bama.

    He mad. roflmao

    I love it. The teams who suck always make it a point to let us know that they suck because they don't care. That's fine with me. Continue sucking.

    ASBamaguy

  • mriderblue12 said...

    As far as I'm concerned, if it's not an egregious lie (Tressel), or a ridiculous payment (Cammy Cam) anything is fair game. Over-signing is only an issue for the B1G because they refuse to man up and get competitive.

    Hey, look: a Big 10 fan with a sack!

    Pedro Guerrero

  • Spartan-Pride said...

    Few would trade their souls for your success, those that would hail from the SEC. You realize alot of schools could do what Alabama does, right? They just aren't willing to sacrifice decency for a couple extra football victories a year.

    Congrats on the title, Bama. Doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain outside of Bama.

    No one respects their "championship" from this year.

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  • ASBamaguy said...

    He mad. roflmao

    I love it. The teams who suck always make it a point to let us know that they suck because they don't care. That's fine with me. Continue sucking.

    "He mad" is another way of saying "Just gonna look the other way as long as we keep winning".

    That's not to say we don't care, that's saying there are those who find more pride in doing everything they can do with a sense of morality in mind rather than screwing over teenage kids in the name of the program.

    SpartanPride204

  • Spartan-Pride said...

    Few would trade their souls for your success, those that would hail from the SEC. You realize alot of schools could do what Alabama does, right? They just aren't willing to sacrifice decency for a couple extra football victories a year.

    Congrats on the title, Bama. Doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain outside of Bama.

    explain the decency part, please. Would it be more decent to pull his offer? What would your team do? Walk us through it. I have often wondered how to approach this. What do we do when so many kids commit later and yet some commit early? Do we favor early commits over early later ones? Is that decent? Do we honor commits in the way that we offer? In other words, we offered this kid before another?

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  • gatider12 said...

    explain the decency part, please. Would it be more decent to pull his offer? What would your team do? Walk us through it. I have often wondered how to approach this. What do we do when so many kids commit later and yet some commit early? Do we favor early commits over early later ones? Is that decent? Do we honor commits in the way that we offer? In other words, we offered this kid before another?

    It would be mean not making promises to teenage kids you aren't sure you can keep.

    That's all-encompassing.

    SpartanPride204