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How can you be ranked above a team that just beat you?

  • I keep hearing analysts and talking heads bashing the computers and I think

    TAMU beats Bama at Bama and they are still ranked below them

    Stanford Beats Oregon at Oregon and they are still ranked below them

    I realize there are other factors that punish the Stanford and TAMU by losing earlier, but it seems the team ranked higher does not pay as big of a penalty.

    The AP and Coaches poll are ranking the teams this way....

    Are there other non-playoff sports where you prove you beat an opponent yet you are ranked below them?? I assume Golf is one and maybe Boxing?

    Leppycole

  • Not sure if serious

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    shortcbaseballa ●

  • Agree college football is stupid

    LScootU

  • Because one game alone doesn't determine which team is better.

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    psubills62

  • psubills62 said...

    Because one game alone doesn't determine which team is better.

    Really - it works that way in the Championship?

    Leppycole

  • facepalm_msu

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Baylor should be ranked ahead of K State imo

    secrocks2000 ●

  • psubills62 said...

    Because one game alone doesn't determine which team is better.

    Works better than an opinion poll IYAM

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    pstrjohn ●

  • LScootU said...

    Agree college football is stupid

    Yep. Think I'll spend a few more hours in the day looking stuff up about it.

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  • Leppycole said...

    Really - it works that way in the Championship?

    It's true. That's because the two teams in the championship are supposed to be relatively equivalent in terms of the big picture.

    Just because that's how it's done doesn't mean it's 100%. There's a million examples of teams beating other teams that are better. It's almost always due to the better team losing the turnover battle.

    And no, I'm not saying that losing the turnover battle automatically makes you a better team. But look at Alabama - they lost the game by a measly 5 points with a -3 turnover margin. If things were even (0 turnover margin), who do you think would win? I'd say Alabama.

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  • pstrjohn said...

    Works better than an opinion poll IYAM

    For the most part, I'd agree. Especially if the opinions are relatively ignorant.

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    psubills62

  • Yep. You have a point. TAMU beat BAMA so they should be ranked ahead of BAMA. LSU beat TAMU so LSU should be ahead of TAMU. BAMA beat LSU so BAMA should be ahead of LSU.....uh wait a minute....this isn't making sense.

    This post was edited by BabyrayS2k on 11/19/2012 at 11:46 AM

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  • Leppycole said...

    I keep hearing analysts and talking heads bashing the computers and I think

    TAMU beats Bama at Bama and they are still ranked below them

    Stanford Beats Oregon at Oregon and they are still ranked below them

    I realize there are other factors that punish the Stanford and TAMU by losing earlier, but it seems the team ranked higher does not pay as big of a penalty.

    The AP and Coaches poll are ranking the teams this way....

    Are there other non-playoff sports where you prove you beat an opponent yet you are ranked below them?? I assume Golf is one and maybe Boxing?

    Should NC State be ranked above FSU? They did beat them... but, you know, they also have like 5 losses compared to FSU's 1.

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    sf2k4 ●

  • sf2k4 said...

    Should NC State be ranked above FSU? They did beat them... but, you know, they also have like 5 losses compared to FSU's 1.

    Reading comprehension - I said right after.

    Not 2-3 weeks later.

    It debunks the whole - if you are going to lose - lose early theory...

    Leppycole

  • How can you tell anyone that k-State is a better football team than Baylor???

    Yet they are ranked higher?

    Leppycole

  • Leppycole said...

    How can you tell anyone that k-State is a better football team than Baylor???

    k-state is a better football team than Baylor.

    Just like that.

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    choog

  • Leppycole said...

    Reading comprehension - I said right after.

    Not 2-3 weeks later.

    It debunks the whole - if you are going to lose - lose early theory...

    A&M had 2 losses when they beat us. I'm not saying we shouldn't have fallen further or that they shouldn't have risen more, but do you rank a 2 loss team over a 1 loss team?

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  • shortcbaseballa said...

    Not sure if serious

    This is the only appropriate response IYAM. OP's team is #1 in the country for the first time in 20 years and these are the thoughts filling his head?
    shrug

    This post was edited by ksredmill on 11/19/2012 at 1:19 PM

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  • Leppycole said...

    I keep hearing analysts and talking heads bashing the computers and I think

    TAMU beats Bama at Bama and they are still ranked below them

    Stanford Beats Oregon at Oregon and they are still ranked below them

    I realize there are other factors that punish the Stanford and TAMU by losing earlier, but it seems the team ranked higher does not pay as big of a penalty.

    The AP and Coaches poll are ranking the teams this way....

    Are there other non-playoff sports where you prove you beat an opponent yet you are ranked below them?? I assume Golf is one and maybe Boxing?

    Serious? Maybe because Stanford and aTm have 2 losses versus only 1?

    bigwilly64

  • sf2k4 said...

    A&M had 2 losses when they beat us. I'm not saying we shouldn't have fallen further or that they shouldn't have risen more, but do you rank a 2 loss team over a 1 loss team?

    Good point, but should you fall further for losing to a two loss team...at home? Honest question, no rivalry mess. Personally I think the entire ranking system is bunk and would love a true play off system. JMHO

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    pstrjohn ●

  • I remember thatvyear we beat Kentucky in Basketball but they stayed ranked higher and went in to win the NCAA tourney.

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    DrStache ●

  • A better question would be how far would Alabama have fell after losing to a 2 loss team that wasn't in the SEC? My guess is a little further than 4.

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  • jameskroner3 said...

    A better question would be how far would Alabama have fell after losing to a 2 loss team that wasn't in the SEC? My guess is a little further than 4.

    We fell from 1 to 4 and Oregon fell from 2 to 5... Sooo, probably the same distance if that 2 loss team was Stanford, amirite?

    We could also bring up our best win vs Oregon's, but that would bring too much logic to this thread.

    TylerDD

  • Leppycole said...

    Reading comprehension - I said right after.

    Not 2-3 weeks later.

    It debunks the whole - if you are going to lose - lose early theory...

    You can't be this dumb.

    bamabum5

  • bigwilly64 said...

    Serious? Maybe because Stanford and aTm have 2 losses versus only 1?

    So teams cannot get better or worse during the season?

    TAMU may not have beat Bama at the beginning of the year - Johnny Football was throwing Int's early on...they learned and became a better football team from thier mistakes

    Here is the pre-season AP top 25

    1 USC (25)
    2 Alabama (17)
    3 LSU (16)
    4 Oklahoma (1)
    5 Oregon
    6 Georgia
    7 Florida State
    8 Michigan (1)
    9 South Carolina
    10 Arkansas
    11 West Virginia
    12 Wisconsin
    13 Michigan State
    14 Clemson
    15 Texas
    16 Virginia Tech
    17 Nebraska
    18 Ohio State
    19 Oklahoma State
    20 TCU
    21 Stanford
    22 Kansas State
    23 Florida
    24 Boise State
    25 Louisville

    Here it is today:

    1 Notre Dame
    2 Alabama
    3 Georgia
    4 Florida
    5 Oregon
    6 Kansas State
    7 LSU
    8 Stanford
    9 Texas A&M
    10 Florida State
    11 Clemson
    12 South Carolina
    13 Oklahoma
    14 Nebraska
    15 Oregon State
    16 Texas
    17 UCLA
    18 Rutgers
    19 Michigan
    20 Louisville
    21 Oklahoma State
    22 Boise State
    23 Kent State
    24 Arizona
    25 Washington

    Leppycole

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