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How full of crap are self-reported 40 times from recruits?

  • If you look at the Nike combines, this really sticks out. The Nike combines 40's are all laser timed from what I understand, meaning they are the most accurate times you will ever find from recruits. Not that 40 times really matter too much, but it is very interesting to see the disaparities.

    In Miami- only 1 kid did a better time than a 4.50. In Orlando? Not one kid. In Atlanta? Not one kid. Charlotte? Not one kid. Mobile? Not one kid. In Dallas? Not one kid. Los Angeles? Three kids. Each one of those camps had over 1,000+ kids attend and run 40's.

    Fastest recorded time at any of the 11 Nike combines so far - a two-way tie. Two kids out of Houston both ran 4.41's. One kid was 5'7, 150 pounds, the other kid 5'8, 148 pounds. Out of literally over ten thousand kids, not one has broken 4.4 electronically. Guess it just goes to show how full of sheeet the self-reported 40 times of recruits are.

    Oh, here is the link of the Nike combine stats:

    ESPNHS 2012 Nike Football SPARQ Combine Los Angeles Unofficial Results - Mar. 31, 2012 - ESPNHS

    Get the latest updates from the 2012 Nike Football SPARQ Combine tour.

    espn.go.com

    supermario9

  • Very true Bracy can probably run a 4.3 but a lot of these kids also run slow because they have no track training. The guys at the combine have track coaches to help them improve their times

    mmusi34

  • mmusi34 said...

    Very true Bracy can probably run a 4.3 but a lot of these kids also run slow because they have no track training. The guys at the combine have track coaches to help them improve their times

    very few kids can run actual 4.3's imo. Bracy is definitely one of them.

    Most recruits that list 4.3's and 4.4's are probably more like 4.5's and 4.6's - which is still pretty damn fast.

    supermario9

  • mmusi34 said...

    Very true Bracy can probably run a 4.3 but a lot of these kids also run slow because they have no track training. The guys at the combine have track coaches to help them improve their times

    yeah running 40's in an art form to some degree

    there is a certain way to do it and jumping out of your stance takes lots of practice in order to perfect it

    Its why I really don't get the 40 and if they are gonna have a speed test in underwear you might as well make it the 100m

    Far better judgement of speed I think, could be wrong though...... hopefully BamaDookie doesn't come in here and make me look really stoopids

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  • I find this extremely interesting. I'm tired of people ripping a recruit because he runs a 4.6 instead of a 4.4 when most likely all the supposition is just a house built on sand.

    buttesnake

  • buttesnake said...

    I find this extremely interesting. I'm tired of people ripping a recruit because he runs a 4.6 instead of a 4.4 when most likely all the supposition is just a house built on sand.

    that has been one of my main pet peeves my whole life

    this cane fan on rivals would never shit up about 40 times

    most don't seem to realize you can run a 4.6 one time and a 4.4 the next, just depends really

    It shows who is fast sure but its no exact science in relation to playing football

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  • you get a real idea of how fast these kids really are at the NFL combine......not too many people can get under 4.4 unless you're a gator

    This post was edited by rrisher on 4/1/2012 at 2:27 PM

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  • how many times during a football game do you get a chance to run 40 yards in a straight line

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  • rrisher said...

    how many times during a football game do you get a chance to run 40 yards in a straight line

    Not only that, how much is your speed affected by the weight of the pads? Different for each person.

    In my opinion, the 10/20 yard split is all that matters and it should be done in pads, not just shorts.

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  • Almost as crap as reported sizes...or measured sizes at camps. '14 kid Orlando Brown measured at some camp at 6'9" 376 last week, then measured this morning at another camp at 6'7". I've seen him from 6'6" to 6'10." Is he "ready to compete at the college level" big or "straight to WWE" big?

    stoptothink

  • Prob still less exaggerated than Arkansas' 40 times.

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  • rrisher said...

    you get a real idea of how fast these kids really are at the NFL combine......not too many people can get under 4.4 unless you're a gator

    Meyer and his bag o' tricks.

    buttesnake

  • The Nike SPARQ Testing from what I've seen [definitely was the case here in ATL] is conducted on Field Turf. From my experience, Field Turf tests between .08-.16 slower than a fast, firm grass surface and about .13-.20 slower than a kid would run on a track with track spikes.

    Example: Micah Reed, 2012 Prospect ran 4.55 at the Nike SPARQ Combine in ATL in 2011.

    Field Turf: 4.55
    Grass (per above range): 4.39-4.47
    Track: 4.35-4.42

    I use Reed as example because he is a 1 of the top Sprinters in Georgia having run a 10.69 for 100m and 21.64 for 200m. He was 3rd in the Georgia AAAAA State Meet for 100m in 2011.

    ****I have a guy on my flag football team, age 25, that is one of fastest guys I've ever played with in flag football over my 15 years of playing. I timed him on Field Turf about 6 weeks ago and he ran 4.55 & 4.57. After resting for about 10 minutes I timed him on the track that surrounded the field and he ran 4.37 & 4.38. The surface matters in terms of how fast people run. Hence, if run on grass or a track.......the self-reported times by prospects could indeed be accurate.

    ***Most guys run with soccer cleats when running the 40 as Adidas makes Soccer Cleats that are as light as track spikes. I know because I have 2 pair of them, 1 pair of which is my avatar. They are as light as each of the 4 pair of track spikes that I have. Hence, the weight of the shoes is often not a factor when comparing Field Turf to Track times.

    This post was edited by BamaBornDukie on 4/1/2012 at 2:54 PM

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    The Nike SPARQ Testing from what I've seen [definitely was the case here in ATL] is conducted on Field Turf. From my experience, Field Turf tests between .08-.16 slower than a fast, firm grass surface and about .13-.20 slower than a kid would run on a track with track spikes.

    Example: Micah Reed, 2012 Prospect ran 4.55 at the Nike SPARQ Combine in ATL in 2011.

    Field Turf: 4.55 Grass (per above range): 4.39-4.47 Track: 4.35-4.42

    I use Reed as example because he is a 1 of the top Sprinters in Georgia having run a 10.69 for 100m and 21.64 for 200m. He was 3rd in the Georgia AAAAA State Meet for 100m in 2011.

    ****I have a guy on my flag football team, age 25, that is one of fastest guys I've ever played with in flag football over my 15 years of playing. I timed him on Field Turf about 6 weeks ago and he ran 4.55 & 4.57. After resting for about 10 minutes I timed him on the track that surrounded the field and he ran 4.37 & 4.38. The surface matters in terms of how fast people run. Hence, if run on grass or a track.......the self-reported times by prospects could indeed be accurate.

    ***Most guys run with soccer cleats when running the 40 as Adidas makes Soccer Cleats that are as light as track spikes. I know because I have 2 pair of them, 1 pair of which is my avatar. They are as light as each of the 4 pair of track spikes that I have. Hence, the weight of the shoes is often not a factor when comparing Field Turf to Track times.

    yup

    your knowledge of running is pretty amazing, I know a thing or two but I feel like a naked mind compared to you bow

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    yup

    your knowledge of running is pretty amazing, I know a thing or two but I feel like a naked mind compared to you bow

    It's a hobby & passion. We all have certain things that we are good at compared to others. Mine are track, stats, accounting/finance......anything numbers based.

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie ●

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    The Nike SPARQ Testing from what I've seen [definitely was the case here in ATL] is conducted on Field Turf. From my experience, Field Turf tests between .08-.16 slower than a fast, firm grass surface and about .13-.20 slower thata kid would run on a track with track spikes.

    Example: Micah Reed, 2012 Prospect ran 4.55 at the Nike SPARQ Combine in ATL in 2011.

    Field Turf: 4.55 Grass (per above range): 4.39-4.47 Track: 4.35-4.42

    I use Reed as example because he is a 1 of the top Sprinters in Georgia having run a 10.69 for 100m and 21.64 for 200m. He was 3rd in the Georgia AAAAA State Meet for 100m in 2011.

    ****I have a guy on my flag football team, age 25, that is one of fastest guys I've ever played with in flag football over my 15 years of playing. I timed him on Field Turf about 6 weeks ago and he ran 4.55 & 4.57. After resting for about 10 minutes I timed him on the track that surrounded the field and he ran 4.37 & 4.38. The surface matters in terms of how fast people run. Hence, if run on grass or a track.......the self-reported times by prospects could indeed be accurate.

    ***Most guys run with soccer cleats when running the 40 as Adidas makes Soccer Cleats that are as light as track spikes. I know because I have 2 pair of them, 1 pair of which is my avatar. They are as light as each of the 4 pair of track spikes that I have. Hence, the weight of the shoes is often not a factor when comparing Field Turf to Track times.

    Good stuff here. I ran track in college and can definitely attest to running faster on a track or tight grass than I did on long grass or field turf. Do you coach running at all or is this totally just a side passion for you?

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    It's a hobby & passion. We all have certain things that we are good at compared to others. Mine are track, stats, accounting/finance......anything numbers based.

    yeah, mine is masturbation

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  • Didnt CUM @ Florida have a,big board with track times. He had two guys running 4.2s, Tebow running a 4.4??.any truth to

    NPS13

  • rrisher said...

    you get a real idea of how fast these kids really are at the NFL combine......not too many people can get under 4.4 unless you're a gator

    Where's Demps in that pic? Did he not do offseason workouts because of T&F?

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  • mmusi34 said...

    Very true Bracy can probably run a 4.3 but a lot of these kids also run slow because they have no track training. The guys at the combine have track coaches to help them improve their times

    Bracy just ran a slightly wind-aided 10.06 yesterday for 100m at the Texas Relays in Austin. The wind was 2.4 m/s....which was just over the allowable reading of 2.0 m/s. He has a chance to break the High School National Record held by Jeff Demps at 10.01.

    Event 8 Boys 100 Meter Dash HS Div. II
    =====================================================================
    Name Year School Finals Wind
    =====================================================================
    Finals
    1 Bracy, Marvin 12 Boone 10.06 2.4
    2 Bailey, Aldrich 12 Mansf Timberview 10.36 2.4
    3 Fulks, Kyle Katy 10.40 2.4
    4 Burrell, Cameron 11 FB Ridge Point 10.44 2.4
    5 Robinson, Bryce 12 Edmond Memorial 10.70 2.4
    6 Hill, Brandon 11 Kil Harker Heights 10.74 2.4
    7 Davis, Antwuan 11 Bastrop 10.78 2.4
    8 White, Malcolm 10 Katy Taylor 11.27 2.4
    -- acy, tremayne 11 DeSoto DNF 2.4

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie ●

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Bracy just ran a slightly wind-aided 10.06 yesterday for 100m at the Texas Relays in Austin. The wind was 2.4 m/s....which was just over the allowable reading of 2.0 m/s. He has a chance to break the High School National Record held by Jeff Demps at 10.01.

    Event 8 Boys 100 Meter Dash HS Div. II ===================================================================== Name Year School Finals Wind ===================================================================== Finals 1 Bracy, Marvin 12 Boone 10.06 2.4 2 Bailey, Aldrich 12 Mansf Timberview 10.36 2.4 3 Fulks, Kyle Katy 10.40 2.4 4 Burrell, Cameron 11 FB Ridge Point 10.44 2.4 5 Robinson, Bryce 12 Edmond Memorial 10.70 2.4 6 Hill, Brandon 11 Kil Harker Heights 10.74 2.4 7 Davis, Antwuan 11 Bastrop 10.78 2.4 8 White, Malcolm 10 Katy Taylor 11.27 2.4 -- acy, tremayne 11 DeSoto DNF 2.4

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  • NPS13 said...

    Didnt CUM @ Florida have a,big board with track times. He had two guys running 4.2s, Tebow running a 4.4??.any truth to

    Had Rainey, Demps, Murphy, Cooper & Harvin all running in the 4.2-4.3 range. No Timothy Tebow, though.

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  • thejumper5 said...

    Good stuff here. I ran track in college and can definitely attest to running faster on a track or tight grass than I did on long grass or field turf. Do you coach running at all or is this totally just a side passion for you?

    I ran in high school and I formed a Track Club about 12-14 years ago with 5 other guys when I was in my mid 20s. We weren't "elite" but ran in Open Meets.....Just former high school track guys staying in shape and trying to get faster for flag football.

    My kids run Youth Track now. I train them during the offseason and have trained several high school & college kids for football (usually to improve 40 time) and baseball (60 yard dash).

    I was thinking of running Masters Meets this Summer (I'm 37 now) but the aforementioned kid that I train absolutely smoked me when we raced in the 40. So I've probably lost 2 steps instead of 1 as I used to run ~ the same times [in my mid 20s to early 30s] that he's running now. I'm training seriously again now [more so for flag football]....so we'll see about those Master's Meets later this Spring/Summer.

    This post was edited by BamaBornDukie on 4/1/2012 at 3:29 PM

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    yeah, mine is masturbation

    cheers

    buttesnake

  • NoVaNoles said...

    yeah running 40's in an art form to some degree

    there is a certain way to do it and jumping out of your stance takes lots of practice in order to perfect it

    Its why I really don't get the 40 and if they are gonna have a speed test in underwear you might as well make it the 100m

    Far better judgement of speed I think, could be wrong though...... hopefully BamaDookie doesn't come in here and make me look really stoopids

    This. Explosion out of the stance is huge, and even an initial hand motion can mess up laser timing. I'm not sure scouts even rely on the laser timing...they just use their own hand times.

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