The Blue Board

Louisville is not ND or FSU. That's not what I'm saying. But financially they are a much bigger player than people think. They also are one of the few options that would bring both competitive football and basketball. And they would expand the B12 into a new state to help offset the losses of Missouri and Colorado. Of the options left on the table, I would be very surprised if they aren't the next name on the B12's list (even ahead of BYU).

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't just "create a research consortium". The CIC has been in existence for decades and is by far the dominant such entity in the country. PSU's research funding has skyrocketed since they joined the B10. And ND is not joining the ACC for football. ND played PSU and the B10 with that card for years. Then the BE. Then the B12. They are now playing the ACC. If you want to believe ND joining for non-football sports is just the first step to ND joining as a full member, go ahead. You are deluding yourself, but you won't be the first person. It's not happening.

Arky is laughing all the way to the bank. And because it worked out so poorly for them, Nebraska, TAMU, Colorado and Missouri followed. Look, I will be extremely happy to see UT remain in the B12. I see UT as much more of a threat as an independent. So I hope you're right. I'm just looking at the numbers and the logic of the situation and I think the clock is ticking and it's only a matter of time before UT goes off on its own. We will just have to wait and see which one of us is right.

The ACC has some tremendous research universities. So do other conferences. And I am sure the ACC has some mechanisms in place for coordinating research and working together. My simple point was that the CIC was started back in the 50s and has a huge head start. Just like BTN was started five years ago and has a head start over the P12 network and any network the ACC might someday start. You are asking PSU to walk away from all that, for what? So they can play Syracuse and Pitt more often? It makes no sense. PSU has four OOC games a year and I can count on one hand how many times they have played Syracuse and Pitt since they joined the B10. Pitt has begged them repeatedly to get on the schedule only to be rebuffed. And you misunderstand the history between PSU and ND if you think ND has some special appeal for PSU. ND is a negative not a positive. But, hey, the B10 has no exit fee. If PSU or anyone else wants to leave, the door is open. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

feel free to produce any evidence to the contrary.

if you're following the quoted conversation: i'm saying i'd like to see status try and produce one piece of evidence that texas proactively looked at joining any other conference.

if you'd like me to answer your question which has nothing to do w/ the quoted conversation: ut isn't leaving the b12. ut never wanted to leave the b12 - every move ut made in regards to talking to the p10/12 or acc was reactionary.

and no, i don't want texas to leave the b12. hell, i'd have preferred to keep the b12 as it was. as much as i hate the retards from college station, that's a LONG history to throw away, and i like talking shlt to my aggy friends. nebraska is nebraska. cu may suck, but that trip to boulder every couple of years was great. mizzou is meh, but they're a high scoring, pretty good meh. i'm happy w/ tcu and wvu as football opponents, but they bring next to zero otherwise. tcu has good baseball most years and wvu will be good in hoops, but other than that? i liked the b12 circa 2011.

i see absolutely zero benefit to going independent in fb and parking our non-rev sports in another conference. it's geographically stupid.

I don't see Texas going independent until something drastic happens with the college football playoff system(like 16 teams) or other confernces start seeing teams go that route. There is no benefit to going independent aside from money and in case you haven't noticed, Texas has plenty of that.

Texas stridently made an effort to keep the Big 12 together. They never truly entertained the thought of going elsewhere unless Oklahoma did. In that scenario they only vetted the option of the Pac 12 because at that point they'd have to get in where they fit in. The Big 12 would've collapsed. Oklahoma was the one pursuing the Pac 12 but they weren't wanted unless Texas came with them.

ND can stay independent because their true motive is money. They're not naive enough to believe that they can truly compete consistently for national titles. Indepent status is their calling card and what they consider a part of what makes them special. ND has never been concerned with fitting in. They're too concerned with being considered unique and special. That is their downfall and partly why they can't compete for national titles. They have their priorities in the wrong order.

Texas has it made in the Big 12 in the years that they win it. They'll automatically be tied into the major bowls and in most years the playoff system. The only real threat is Oklahoma. Why give that up to go independent, while still playing the only real threat in Oklahoma, and risk being constanly left out of the playoff system. If they lose to Oklahoma while independent and Oklahoma wins the Big 12 with a comparable record, who's getting the playoff invite? 9 times out of 10 it will be Oklahoma.

You don't have Aggy anymore. WVU is now in the conference. Oklahoma is NOT the only threat.

Oklahoma has never been the only threat. I am very happy to have WVU join, but don't overstate your importance, little one. Viewed over the span of more than one season, you are no less a threat than Oklahoma State, Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, etc., but certainly not more.

Listen to you guys. You are arguing over who tried to leave first. The fact is both UT and OU have seriously explored leaving the B12 at least twice during the past three years. They simply couldn't get a deal they liked well enough. If either one of them ever finds an acceptable alternative, buh-bye B12.

you're wrong

Why would they? The run the Big XII.