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ReasonableDoubt said...
In fact the highest single year deficit was during the final bush budget year. Fact. Majority of deficit under obama is wars, previous programs and recession. Fact
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ReasonableDoubt said...
Return too what? A nation with out of control spending? No matter who is president, there well continue to be trillion dollar deficits yearly until a real change is made.
In fact the highest single year deficit was during the final bush budget year. Fact.
Majority of deficit under obama is wars, previous programs and recession. Factlestat
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ReasonableDoubt said...
Obama added 15 million to food stamps? It had nothing to do with the recession? He knocked on doors and encouraged this?
This was an inevitable consequence of a near depression. You know this as well as anybody. I'm not an obama supporter but the tired talking points that you guys use is just horrible and divisive.
I saw romney say that gas prices doubled under obama. A guy in this thread was bragging about 1.76 had under bush. Are we really dumb enough to user these talking points?
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lestat said...
Are you to stupid to realize this president wants more people dependent on the gov. Like a good socialist. Yet you defend him.
You claim you love freedom. "Oh I'm libiteran" why would you defend this clown.
Most libiteran canidates are more conservative than liberal. What party did gary johnson & ron paul run for?ReasonableDoubt
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Mr.Stache said...
What caused the Recession? In 2008 the major cause of that recession was the Housing Market crisis. Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac loans. I wonder who's ideal that was? Clinton and Barney Frank basically masterminded the "affordable housing" requirements that made lenders underwrite loans to people who couldn't afford a house. Here's an excerpt from a nice article that basically says both parties were to blame but of course, Bush gets all the credit for the Recession of 2008. FWIW, Bush has said that raising the % was a terrible mistake.
At first, this quota was 30%; that is, of all the loans they bought, 30% had to be made to people at or below the median income in their communities. HUD, however, was given authority by Clinton to administer these quotas, and between 1992 and 2007, the quotas were raised from 30% to 50% under Clinton in 2000 and to 55% under Bush in 2007. Despite Frank's effort to make this seem like a partisan issue, it isn't. The Bush administration was just as guilty of this error as the Clinton administration. And Frank is right to say that he eventually saw his error and corrected it when he got the power to do so in 2007, but by then it was too late.
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CMXI said...
Can you show me some evidence for that?
Admittedly, information on this topic is hard to find, but everything I've seen indicates that the "stimulus package" was applied to FY2009 accounting. The stimulus spending applied to Bush's last year in office was 2008 stimulus spending signed into law by Bush.
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bamadvm said...
What I've learned ITT
- RD does not support Obama all while supporting Obama.
- RD combats "tired repub talking points" with tired dem talking points.
- RD bypasses all comments he has no answer for picking and choosing the ones he "thinks" he can combat.PS:
Not sure why anyone does not vote repub or dem in the presidential election. Why vote for someone with no chance to win?
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ReasonableDoubt said...
You guys do enough to make obama look good by using such ridiculous hyperbole
There arent any real substantive dem talking points.
What comment did I bypass? I may have just agreed with it.
Your obsession with dems and repubs undermines your value as a voter. Every republican I know claims to agree more with libertarian but none of them will vote that way. A libertarian would absolutely wipe both candidates in any debate but it'll never happen because people refuse to make their vote count and instead they fight over two parties that are exactly the same.
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ReasonableDoubt said...
Lol. Sad. Predictable tho.
Out of all you political chest beaters, I would think that you would be able to disprove such simple claims or at least a real discussion. You guys claim I'm a liberal and liberals hate facts, but the truth of the matter is most of you only know talking points and it's sad.
You repubs are a letdown to any real conservative.
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ReasonableDoubt said...
You guys do enough to make obama look good by using such ridiculous hyperbole
There arent any real substantive dem talking points.
What comment did I bypass? I may have just agreed with it.
Your obsession with dems and repubs undermines your value as a voter. Every republican I know claims to agree more with libertarian but none of them will vote that way. A libertarian would absolutely wipe both candidates in any debate but it'll never happen because people refuse to make their vote count and instead they fight over two parties that are exactly the same.
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bamadvm said...
-Obamacare: 1)why he spent the majority of his time shoving this down the nations throat with the aid of a dem congress 2) The massive amount of people that according to studies will lose their current healthcare due to this 3) The effect this will have on an already terrible job market with employers already coming out and saying they will be less likely to hire and will cut their employees back to 20-30 hrs/wk to avoid having to pay the "tax".
-Taxing of Small businesses and how this will likely worsen the job market.
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ReasonableDoubt said...
As I said, I'm not a dem. I hate obamacare. But I also hate medicare part D. You repubs only oppose it when the other candidate does it.
You spend so much time demonizing the other party that you our forces you to act like yours is different.
For example, read the op again and tell me which side I chose. But if you read this thread, only one side jumped on me. FRANKLY, both repubs and denms are worthless. You can only find value in one if you demonize the other. Why not hussy super someone else?
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This is the smartest post in the thread.
There is no reason to argue with someone with an elitist personality that already thinks they know everything because they won't listen to a thing that is said. The funny thing is, this is the exact attitude that Biden displayed in the debate. With that attitude no true change will ever occur. For true change to occur someone will have to bridge the gap between the parties. I believe Romney will attempt to do this, it may be just BS but we'll see. I know that Obama/Biden won't do this as there record has proven they won't and Biden continued to say "if the repubs will get out of the way on this, or get out of the way on that" during the debate. It is not the job of one party to get out of the way of the other, but instead for one to propose legislation that both can agree on and convince them on for the mutual benefit of everyone in this country.
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