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while i agree there should be a D1 playoff (top 4 to 8 teams)

but under the current system , they deserved a shot (because they were undefeated) all up the way up untill they got dumped by Iowa State
& at that point it was obvious to everyone with football sense that they wouldnt match up with Bama or LSU .

"to deserve a shot " one must finish among the top two . and if one doesnt ? they deserve the Bowl game for finishing #3 , 4, or 5 .

they should feel fortunate they ended the season like the 04' Aubz , saying what could have been . because neither would have liked the results
of getting "their deserved shot" .

Honestly I think this post is an indictment on our society. We all think we deserve something; I deserve a vacation or a promotion that someone else got. Not a flame on you, but there really has been a shift in society where the mindset is that we are entitled to certain things (I am not exempt from this statement). IMO OSU didn't deserve a shot just like we didn't deserve a shot. I feel like both of us had a great year and we obviously were the teams that should have been in the discussion to play LSU, but when we lost a game we each lost the right to feel like we deserved anything.

Exactly. The only team that "deserved" a shot was Auburn in 04. That's the only team that didn't fail once an still got put out. They didn't leave anything up to speculation and judgement. Alabama and OSU both did and Alabama came out on top. Tough break for OSU. It will be a tough break for Alabama if it happens to us. It's the system we have and one poster isn't going to change who the majority of the country thinks is the true National Champion.

Not at all. way off course with this comment. We are talking about sports and what is fair to everyone who competes not society. The NCAA has a tournament in every major sport but football. Every football league but the NCAA Div.1 has a playoff. We are not talking about society here we are talking about athletic competition. Things are decided on a field... But the BCS scenario hinders that from happening in its current state considering most games played are regional and you only get 2 teams a season on a national level that get a shot at the title. It is unfair on more than one level and has nothing to do with society or its mindset.

How is he way off course with his opinion? Who died and made you the end all be all of what comments and opinions are on or off course? You clearly have the opinion that you're the smartest guy in the room.

I appreciate you being man enough to own up to the fact that the computers were not the reason that Bama got in over OSU. I totally agree with you that we need another system and as long as we remain in the curent system there needs to be transparency within it.

The only reason that OSU was percieved to have better wins was because the Big 12 SOSs was grossly over-rated due to the fact that they played a round robin and not in a league with devisions and a championship. The same thing had taken place in the Pac 10 the previous 10 years.

Guys..I am not doing this thread to bash Alabama. I have no allegiance to Okie lite, and am not making any case on the field for why one team deserved it over another. The only thing I said in relation to Alabama, is the suspicious activity regarding a couple of computer programs, where those programmers refuse to discuss or divulge how they came to their conclusions. It is just odd that a team with a much higher SOS, from a tougher conference, with the same record, should be ranked below another team. If that other teams name was Alabama, or Michigan or Boise State or whatever. Its the BCS and the system put in play that I am discussing, and how easy it is to manipulate, because there is zero accountability or transparency to it.

I dont think the powers that be at the BCS were manipulating the numbers because they favor Alabama. I think they did it, because they feared a situation where the number two team in the human polls lost, while the number one team in those same polls won, thereby creating another split title. It just happened that it was Alabama in that situation, and I certainly dont blame or accuse them of any wrong doing.

Well now we are getting into an entirely different subject. The same thing could be said about Alabama, having a chance to beat the same LSU team they would face in the title game, at home, and failing there.

We can get into how unfair that entire situation was, not only to Okie lite, but also to LSU, but thats not what I wrote this thread about.

That post was not directed at you. I posted that I agree with the overall point of your OP even if some of the facts were slightly off.

Of course its biased. Its making a value judgement based solely on opinion.

Making rankings based on the perception on "bad" losses is a logical fallacy. Any team can lose.....Alabama lost as well, but because people made the assumption that it was a good loss....despite being at home, they were given a pass that Okie Lite did not receive.

When you try to make rankings based on how you perceive those losses, rather than strictly on who a team beats, you then have to make that leap in faith that "Oh Alabama would have won that game.at Iowa State" despite there being no evidence to support that. Plenty of opinion, but no evidence. Alabama did not play Iowa State. Alabama did not play any teams that played Iowa State (I think) I believe the closest they came was playing Arkansas, who struggled big time with TAMU........who beat Iowa State. But when you have to make that many assumptions regarding rankings, its all about bias, and little to do with results on the field.

So post a complete description on how to fix it without human factors involved. A tournament just isn't going to do that. Someone is goin to get left out that feels like they deserved a shot. Once that happens, all fairness in any system goes out the window. The NFL is the only league where this works and their system can not be applied to college football because of the amount of teams involved.

In any tournament situation, the teams that get left out do not have a legitimate argument, because those teams had their destiny in their own hands at the beginning of the season.

Who cares if some team that cant win its conference is left out? Its the whole "The regular season means something in college football" thing.

Its not like anyone ever loses a lot of sleep because of number 66 in college basketball gets left out. Sure for a day or so there is a lot of "Oh they so deserved it over team B" crap". But the fact of the matter is, if you want to avoid getting left out, win your conference, and dont let it fall into others hands.