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I am warming up to Romney....

  • Fsufsu, we've had some issues ITT in the past, but I have a serious question (and I don't mean this to be incendiary). Why is it important to you for the President to be Christian (or religious)? Do you think religion should play a part in the decisions that the President makes on a daily basis? Just looking to get a little conversation going.

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    GONIG BUCK

  • Could someone point to me where it says in the Constitution that the POTUS has to be Christian?

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • I have to question any conservative that is drawn to Romney. 15 years ago the man ran as a liberal. Now that he is running for President he is presenting himself as a far right republican. I dont know many people that have changed their positions and views on every important issue of the day many of which go back to one's own core values.

    ErnieMcCracken

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    I have to question any conservative that is drawn to Romney. 15 years ago the man ran as a liberal. Now that he is running for President he is presenting himself as a far right republican. I dont know many people that have changed their positions and views on every important issue of the day many of which go back to one's own core values.

    Watch and see: come general election time, Romney will move back to the center and he will not be very different from Obama. Now what will be interesting is whether there will be significant third party candidates like a TP one or Ron Paul. I think the former will hurt Romney,but the latter Obama(Ron Paul does well with the youth vote).

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Watch and see: come general election time, Romney will move back to the center and he will not be very different from Obama. Now what will be interesting is whether there will be significant third party candidates like a TP one or Ron Paul. I think the former will hurt Romney,but the latter Obama(Ron Paul does well with the youth vote).

    Romney is going to try to move to the center however Mitt changing his positions is part of the narrative he is trying to fight. Plus, I'm not sure how how he moves to the center when he is so far right on issues such as immigration that he outflanks Rick Perry. Mitt's big issues are they he wants to further lower his taxes (mind you he is in the 15% tax bracket) and undoing national health care which was modeled after his very own approach.

    ErnieMcCracken

  • ErnieMcCracken said...
    Mitt's big issues are they he wants to further lower his taxes (mind you he is in the 15% tax bracket) and undoing national health care which was modeled after his very own approach.

    SuperPACs are going to have a field day with both candidates this election.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • kok phyte said...

    Goldman Sachs approves your message. I can only laugh at the idea of Romney successfully repealing a medical plan that was based off of his own plan.

    Exactly.

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    Einstein

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    He offered a better option based on his platform than McCain,IMO. Probably more than most---Ivy League lawyer and state politician---and to be honest, the POTUS has no requirement beyond age and citizenship. I don't think he has done a great job,but I would rather see a second term than any alternative left in the Republican field.

    Ok now that hope & change didn't work your willing to re-elect him Wow. His platform was a joke.

    lestat

  • First four years have not shown me much that's for sure

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  • lestat said...

    Ok now that hope & change didn't work your willing to re-elect him Wow. His platform was a joke.

    Well Im not an idiot,but a realist and knew that all that Hope and Change was all political talk. The fact is it takes years to get out of a housing bust(Japan took a loonngg time). Any realistic look at the economic indicators would have shown the same post 08. The recovery has accelerated and is in better shape. I would have rather seen single-payer,but he did get ObamaCare passed,albeit it's pros an cons. I would have liked to have seen climate change and immigration reform,but a lot of political capital was wasted in 2010 on healthcare. It hasnt been perfect,but I recognize the trouble that Republicans and Blue Dog Dems have given. It would be a lot worse under McCain,who would have thrown more deregulation and tax cuts at markets that are already deregulated enough and cut too much spending. IMO, would have been Hoover all over again. No offense man,but you need to take a more realistic approach to how you view politics, because I hate making assumptions,but by you diction and tone I can tell you probably get most of your news from Fox.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BamaLivesFootba on 2/5/2012 at 5:43 PM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Well Im not an idiot,but a realist and knew that all that Hope and Change was all political talk. The fact is it takes years to get out of a housing bust(Japan took a loonngg time). Any realistic look at the economic indicators would have shown the same post 08. The recovery has accelerated and is in better shape. I would have rather seen single-payer,but he did get ObamaCare passed,albeit it's pros an cons. I would have liked to have seen climate change and immigration reform,but a lot of political capital was wasted in 2010 on healthcare. It hasnt been perfect,but I recognize the trouble that Republicans and Blue Dog Dems have given. It would be a lot worse under McCain,who would have thrown more deregulation and tax cuts at markets that are already deregulated enough and cut too much spending. IMO, would have been Hoover all over again. No offense man,but you need to take a more realistic approach to how you view politics, because I hate making assumptions,but by you diction and tone I can tell you probably get most of your news from Fox.

    What throwing billions of $ away into green energy wasn't enough climate change for u. It was for me. I would rather invest in drilling more here. Imagine that a secure energy source on are soil. No dependence on the middle-east. I guess obama has to appease his FAR LEFT base over the rest of this country.

    lestat

  • As for the housing market. The more gov gets involved, the longer it takes to get out of ( see japan ).

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    What throwing billions of $ away into green energy wasn't enough climate change for u. It was for me. I would rather invest in drilling more here. Imagine that a secure energy source on are soil. No dependence on the middle-east. I guess obama has to appease his FAR LEFT base over the rest of this country.

    Well seeing how the cost of various types of green energy have fallen exponentially,although still relatively expensive, I'd say it is a good investment. Like I posted above earlier, domestic production of oil does not guarantee energy independence. That production is at it's highest in decades,but most of that oil is exported at the highest price(as dictated by supply/demand, free trade principles) to markets that support it like Latin America. We then import from Canada,Middle East,Venezuela and use some of our own. Whether or not you think climate change is affected by man, green energy is the future. It's price will come down and it's benefits profitized. I see green as in dollars my friend and so do all the investors who have increased investment,production, and research into that energy sector.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • As for spending cuts. It is a must to repeal all wasteful spending. Washington is way out of control.

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    As for the housing market. The more gov gets involved, the longer it takes to get out of ( see japan ).

    And sadly, we are still waiting for a bottoming out. It's a big drag on the economy.

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  • lestat said...

    As for spending cuts. It is a must to repeal all wasteful spending. Washington is way out of control.

    Agreed,but any serious deficit reduction should consider: cutting spending; reanalyzing rules,tax cuts; and raising revenue. Any reduction that doesn't include all three, isnt a serious attempt.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • Pretty awesome thread all things considered. Keep it up guys.

    fsufsu

  • MrMcGillicutty said...

    I believe Obama to be an atheist so that is fine with me. If the GOP trots out Romney then they will have forced my hand which they have basically done already. Huntsman was the only one worth voting for this year.

    Your head must've blown up last week when Obama started quoting Jesus and trying to pass himself off as a man of faith, then...

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  • EF_Wolverine said...

    Your head must've blown up last week when Obama started quoting Jesus and trying to pass himself off as a man of faith, then...

    The biggest issue in Christianity is folks putting on a show for a few minutes to convince people they're Christians and then smearing the name of Christ with the other 99% of their lives. If Obama is quoting Jesus then I hope he continues. But the man's position on abortion alone confirms he does not have Christ in him.

    We all know why Obama is playing the Jesus card. It's election year bro.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 2/5/2012 at 9:42 PM

    fsufsu

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    If you think Romeny won't be exactly like Obama, then I'm not sure what to tell you. For all intents and purposes, just as conservative as #44. Just as liberal as well.

    Irregardless, you could have at least said "for all intensive purposes"

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  • ftlaudcock said...

    Irregardless, you could have at least said "for all intensive purposes"

    I laughed at that. Haha.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Fsufsu, we've had some issues ITT in the past, but I have a serious question (and I don't mean this to be incendiary). Why is it important to you for the President to be Christian (or religious)? Do you think religion should play a part in the decisions that the President makes on a daily basis? Just looking to get a little conversation going.

    You can PM me that question. I really have no clue how a fellow Christian could ask that but if you PM I will answer it.

    fsufsu

  • Hotlantabuck said...

    Ah...buddy....Huntsman is mormon too. Guys like you crack me up. Religion should rarely be a part of your decision. Base your decision on what he does and ask yourself "is it consistent with his religion". I don't recall any of Romney's religion being something that would be detrimental to the America....actually, the opposite.

    Anyone who can be deceived by Joseph Smith is someone who's judgement should clearly be questioned. Also, I never said I would vote for Huntsman. He is just the only one close to being worth voting for. I also think he is a more of a deist than mormon and yes I know he claims to be mormon.

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    MrMcGillicutty

  • EF_Wolverine said...

    Your head must've blown up last week when Obama started quoting Jesus and trying to pass himself off as a man of faith, then...

    You have to pass yourself off as a christian to win the Presidency so it isn't a surprise. Ridiculous that he should have to but that doesn't matter.

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    MrMcGillicutty

  • Mittens is getting smoked tonight.

    ErnieMcCracken