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I don't mind being called a liberal.

  • Most people that we consider ahead of their time, were liberal thinkers in their day.

    BetterOff

  • Classical liberals, or socialists?

    JMRB ●

  • JMRB said...

    Classical liberals, or socialists?

    This is the problem. Everyone has a different view-definition.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Most people that we consider ahead of their time, were liberal thinkers in their day.

    Link?

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    Looks like another perfect day.

    Under Review

  • Not a liberal, but I don't know why it would be insulting to call someone as such.

    Socialists, Communists on the other hand...

    zabba

  • Under Review said...

    Link?

    I don't think there is a need to link. It is pretty common sense.

    If you would like be to list some names, I would include Plato, Aristotle, Marco Polo, for starters as far as the ancient days.

    I would include James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Marting Luther King Jr, and Nelson Mandela.

    Liberal doesn't have to mean Democrat either. It is a progressive way of thinking, that is more open-minded and willing to change. There are a lot of close-minded Democrats in this world as well. If you need an example, I point to Al Sharpton and Charlie Wrangle.

    I would say that the only successful President we have had in the past 50 years that was a Republican though was Ronald Reagan, but that's just my opinion and I am in no way saying that all the Democrats were successful either.

    I am not closed off to other's opinions either. I actually don't think that the first Bush was a bad President either, but it is hard to lable someone successful that did not get re-elected. If W. Bush would have ended on different terms, I believe he could have gone down as a successful President, but I don't think he was able to help transition the country from the days of 9/11. Personally, I think he handled that situation greatly, as well as the years after. Once he landed on the aircraft carrier and declared victory, we lost him. Up until then, I didn't have a bunch of complaints, although I didn't vote for him either time.

    BetterOff

  • zabba said...

    Not a liberal, but I don't know why it would be insulting to call someone as such.

    Socialists, Communists on the other hand...

    Socialism and Communism have led to horrible situations, that's for sure. Mainly because it takes power away from the people and into a central hand. That central hand is eventually going to be corrupted. There are some good ideals with both ideas though and Socialism can be a good jump start to an empoverished country, but there has to be a time table involved to end that type of governing, but there never is. You can somewhat build up your masses, by spreading the wealth, then open a free market capitalist society.

    In a perfect world, the transistion could work, although there are no good examples, because no one is then willing to give up power.

    BetterOff

  • there is a culture war in america, tbb is evidence.

    Maple_leaf ●

  • BetterOff said...

    Most people that we consider ahead of their time, were liberal thinkers in their day.

    Maybe we'll give you some credit, once you're dead.

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    Mike

  • Mike said...

    Maybe we'll give you some credit, once you're dead.

    That's what I'm going for!

    BetterOff

  • Maple_leaf said...

    there is a culture war in america, tbb is evidence.

    I think it is great. No one is right and no one is wrong. Hopefully the country can always stay somewhere in between.

    BetterOff

  • Pics or GTFO

    LScootU

  • I would... yikes. Aristotle was a chomo

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  • BetterOff said...

    I think it is great. No one is right and no one is wrong. Hopefully the country can always stay somewhere in between.

    Shouldn't be too much of a problem imo, we often make much ado about nothing.

    zabba

  • BetterOff said...

    I don't think there is a need to link. It is pretty common sense.

    If you would like be to list some names, I would include Plato, Aristotle, Marco Polo, for starters as far as the ancient days.

    I would include James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Marting Luther King Jr, and Nelson Mandela.

    Liberal doesn't have to mean Democrat either. It is a progressive way of thinking, that is more open-minded and willing to change. There are a lot of close-minded Democrats in this world as well. If you need an example, I point to Al Sharpton and Charlie Wrangle.

    I would say that the only successful President we have had in the past 50 years that was a Republican though was Ronald Reagan, but that's just my opinion and I am in no way saying that all the Democrats were successful either.

    I am not closed off to other's opinions either. I actually don't think that the first Bush was a bad President either, but it is hard to lable someone successful that did not get re-elected. If W. Bush would have ended on different terms, I believe he could have gone down as a successful President, but I don't think he was able to help transition the country from the days of 9/11. Personally, I think he handled that situation greatly, as well as the years after. Once he landed on the aircraft carrier and declared victory, we lost him. Up until then, I didn't have a bunch of complaints, although I didn't vote for him either time.

    As far as the founding fathers go you could definitely say they were radicals. I don't know about liberal thought. We went to war cuz they raised are taxes to a whopping 6%. JFK was considered a conservative democrat. Not a liberal. Like other people have said its your personal definition.

    lestat

  • BetterOff said...

    I don't think there is a need to link. It is pretty common sense.

    If you would like be to list some names, I would include Plato, Aristotle, Marco Polo, for starters as far as the ancient days.

    I would include James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Marting Luther King Jr, and Nelson Mandela.

    Liberal doesn't have to mean Democrat either. It is a progressive way of thinking, that is more open-minded and willing to change. There are a lot of close-minded Democrats in this world as well. If you need an example, I point to Al Sharpton and Charlie Wrangle.

    I would say that the only successful President we have had in the past 50 years that was a Republican though was Ronald Reagan, but that's just my opinion and I am in no way saying that all the Democrats were successful either.

    I am not closed off to other's opinions either. I actually don't think that the first Bush was a bad President either, but it is hard to lable someone successful that did not get re-elected. If W. Bush would have ended on different terms, I believe he could have gone down as a successful President, but I don't think he was able to help transition the country from the days of 9/11. Personally, I think he handled that situation greatly, as well as the years after. Once he landed on the aircraft carrier and declared victory, we lost him. Up until then, I didn't have a bunch of complaints, although I didn't vote for him either time.

    Thomas Jefferson WAS NOT a liberal. Please. Let him rest in peace.

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    GetHooked ●

  • GetHooked said...

    Thomas Jefferson WAS NOT a liberal. Please. Let him rest in peace.

    Classical liberal he was.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Be a Liberal today does not mean you are a liberal minded thinker, necessarily. That is the problem.

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    neoavatara ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Classical liberal he was.

    Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Classical liberal he was.

    Oh you mean like Lyndon Johnson and FDR?!?

    JMRB ●

  • Liberals today aren't Liberals of the past. You can't even lick their boot.

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    CptAUmerica21

  • JMRB said...

    Oh you mean like Lyndon Johnson and FDR?!?

    Classical liberalism != modern liberalism

    Classical liberalism = Locke, Smith, Hobbes, etc.
    democracy, property rights, constitution... classical

    Modern liberalism is basically FDR and more contemporary democrats.

    Two very different things.

    zabba

  • GetHooked said...

    Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ======================================

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

    Thomas Jefferson

    That quote provides evidence that he was a classical liberal. Please go look up the definition of "classical liberal" before commenting further in this thread.

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  • zabba said...

    Classical liberalism != modern liberalism

    Classical liberalism = Locke, Smith, Hobbes, etc. democracy, property rights, constitution... classical

    Modern liberalism is basically FDR and more contemporary democrats.

    Two very different things.

    I know, friend. Thought the punctuation emphasized the joke.

    JMRB ●

  • BetterOff said...

    Most people that we consider ahead of their time, were liberal thinkers in their day.

    But everyone who is truly intelligent is a liberal thinker but politically conservative. That last part is probably where you missed the boat.

    Pink Sock

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