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I guess i'll be the first

  • to say it. Not sure how I like the composite rankings. I mean ESPN has consistently proven that they don't know what the heck is going on in the world of recruiting and are wrong nearly constantly. That alone brings a teams total down.

    I like the original rankings with just the 247 formula, y'all do the best rankings IMO.

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  • I don't like recruiting rankings period. I never understand them and really don't care

    LScootU

  • Super Scooter said...

    I don't like recruiting rankings period. I never understand them and really don't care

    You have a hard time understanding the directions on a bottle of shampoo.

    buttesnake

  • I do like recruiting rankings, but there are some sites I do not enjoy at all.

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  • Well that is the beauty of the composite rankings. You can still choose to just look at the 247 rankings.

    But ideally the composite rankings eliminate any bias that one site might have toward a team or prospect.

    Aussie

  • buttesnake said...

    You have a hard time understanding the directions on a bottle of shampoo.

    Unscreaw top, insert penis, do push ups till your wiener throws up, wash hair???

    This post was edited by LScootU on 7/30/2012 at 10:13 AM

    LScootU

  • Super Scooter said...

    Unscreaw top, insert penis, do push ups till your wiener throws up, wash hair???

    I see you've been studying.

    buttesnake

  • Aussie said...

    Well that is the beauty of the composite rankings. You can still choose to just look at the 247 rankings.

    But ideally the composite rankings eliminate any bias that one site might have toward a team or prospect.

    Ok good deal, I will go and see if I can figure out how to do that then.

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  • For each player's rankings that get lowered by the inclusion of ESPN's rankings, another gets a bump. It all evens out .

    Composite is for the better and if there is still an issue, then you can form your own opinion on who has a better class.

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  • buttesnake said...

    I see you've been studying.

    I'm tryen to expand my knowledge

    LScootU

  • Aussie said...

    Well that is the beauty of the composite rankings. You can still choose to just look at the 247 rankings.

    But ideally the composite rankings eliminate any bias that one site might have toward a team or prospect.

    Ah, but if they are using straight averages (rather than weighted) then outliers can still completely destroy a team's ranking. If 247, Rivals, and Scout have a player ranked as a highly rated 4* but ESPN has that player ranked much lower, then that can drag said player down considerably. It works the other way, as well; there could be a broad consensus that a player is a poorly rated 3* but one recruiting service could have them at a 5* and that would pull the player up unless outliers are weighted.

    I would like to see a bit more transparency, with standard deviations and the individual service ratings reported. At least show us WHO rated each kid, even if their per-site ratings are obscured.

    josgood

  • callen05 said...

    For each player's rankings that get lowered by the inclusion of ESPN's rankings, another gets a bump. It all evens out .

    Composite is for the better and if there is still an issue, then you can form your own opinion on who has a better class.

    Thats the problem though for me, I hate ESPN and Scout, I think they do a terrible job.

    Rivals does OK, and 24/7 does great. So that leaves me with only 25% and sometimes 50% of the puzzle that I think is worth anything.

    I will just use 24/7 and formulate my own opinion though, not the end of the world.

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  • We'd be #1 without kickers... so quit bitched

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    CptAUmerica21

  • I don't like the fact that this new system has completely taken away my ability to scream BIAS!!

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    devidee

  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    We'd be #1 without kickers... so quit bitched

    LAWL.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    We'd be #1 without kickers... so quit bitched

    We have nearly twice as many 4/5*s as you. Every single team in the top 10 has more 4/5*s than you. You have a few elite players, but 3 elite players do not a #1 class make. On top of that, even if you didn't have those kickers, USC still has more 5*s than you, and twice as many 4*s.

    There is no world in which Auburn is the #1 class this year, kickers or not.

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  • Aussie said...

    Well that is the beauty of the composite rankings. You can still choose to just look at the 247 rankings.

    But ideally the composite rankings eliminate any bias that one site might have toward a team or prospect.

    actually i like them all (although espn is borderline putrid) just to see how certain groups look at a prospect (right, wrong, or indifferent ) .

    but ideally i composite The Ghost Watch List and go from there. in the end, the rankings of others dont mean s7it anyway. coffee

    " i remember a guy named Joe Montana going Rnd3 & a guy named Tom Brady going in the 6th".
    -- gill brandt --

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 7/30/2012 at 10:58 AM

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  • Aussie said...

    Well that is the beauty of the composite rankings. You can still choose to just look at the 247 rankings.

    But ideally the composite rankings eliminate any bias that one site might have toward a team or prospect.

    How do you filter it to just see the 247 rankings? I could careless where the other sites have prospects rated.

    Jeff4SC

  • theFightingtide said...

    Thats the problem though for me, I hate ESPN and Scout, I think they do a terrible job.

    Rivals does OK, and 24/7 does great. So that leaves me with only 25% and sometimes 50% of the puzzle that I think is worth anything.

    I will just use 24/7 and formulate my own opinion though, not the end of the world.

    The truth is everybody in this business in its current state has hits and misses. Nobody bats 1.000. There are great calls on all of the networks and outliers.

    Also, the majority of fans tend to gravitate toward the rankings that have their particular school's commits ranked the highest.

    Let's take Derrick Green, for example. Rivals has him as the top back in the country. If he commits to Michigan, those fans are going to say they got the top back in the country. I doubt Ohio State fans would say that, same with Alabama fans.

    What we are saying is it's all good. We want to give you guys, the fans, an accurate picture of the talent from the professionals in this industry that work hard to do it every day. We don't hate the guys from Rivals, Scout, ESPN or any other network. In fact, many of us worked with those individuals in the past (and will in the future) and they are all honest, hard-working guys and gals who appreciate the job they have and respect the prospects they cover. It may be that we get a little more right or that we have the best when all is said and done, but the bottom line is that it's an inexact science and everyone's opinion has some validity.

    Our focus is not on our own ego or pretending to be "master scouts" here. Our focus is on you guys, the fans, the folks that love college football and recruiting and live it on that end of things every day. This is for you guys.

    E-mail: jc@247Sports.com/Twitter: @jcshurburtt/Instagram jcshurburtt

    JC Shurburtt

  • josgood said...

    Ah, but if they are using straight averages (rather than weighted) then outliers can still completely destroy a team's ranking. If 247, Rivals, and Scout have a player ranked as a highly rated 4* but ESPN has that player ranked much lower, then that can drag said player down considerably. It works the other way, as well; there could be a broad consensus that a player is a poorly rated 3* but one recruiting service could have them at a 5* and that would pull the player up unless outliers are weighted.

    I would like to see a bit more transparency, with standard deviations and the individual service ratings reported. At least show us WHO rated each kid, even if their per-site ratings are obscured.

    The only fair way to do it is to equally weigh everyone's rankings and ratings IMO, outliers and all. The outliers will be fun to track moving forward.

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    How do you filter it to just see the 247 rankings? I could careless where the other sites have prospects rated.

    This.

    Basically 247 seems to be emphasizing the composite rankings over their own. I'd rather the focus be on 247 and their evaluations, and have the composite stuff relegated to a supplemental position.

    buttesnake

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    The truth is everybody in this business in its current state has hits and misses. Nobody bats 1.000. There are great calls on all of the networks and outliers.

    Also, the majority of fans tend to gravitate toward the rankings that have their particular school's commits ranked the highest.

    Let's take Derrick Green, for example. Rivals has him as the top back in the country. If he commits to Michigan, those fans are going to say they got the top back in the country. I doubt Ohio State fans would say that, same with Alabama fans.

    What we are saying is it's all good. We want to give you guys, the fans, an accurate picture of the talent from the professionals in this industry that work hard to do it every day. We don't hate the guys from Rivals, Scout, ESPN or any other network. In fact, many of us worked with those individuals in the past (and will in the future) and they are all honest, hard-working guys and gals who appreciate the job they have and respect the prospects they cover. It may be that we get a little more right or that we have the best when all is said and done, but the bottom line is that it's an inexact science and everyone's opinion has some validity.

    Our focus is not on our own ego or pretending to be "master scouts" here. Our focus is on you guys, the fans, the folks that love college football and recruiting and live it on that end of things every day. This is for you guys.

    I see what your saying, and i appreciate all the hard work y'all do. Thats why i like this site MUCH better than the others.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Let's take Derrick Green, for example. Rivals has him as the top back in the country. If he commits to Michigan, those fans are going to say they got the top back in the country. I doubt Ohio State fans would say that, same with Alabama fans.

    So you're saying Green is a Michigan lock? Hell yes! rockon

    #1 RB, bitches! Suck it!

    buttesnake

  • I like what you are trying to do...but you are assuming too much from the other sites, especially in states that don't have dedicated people in the other services.

    HNB

  • buttesnake said...

    You have a hard time understanding the directions on a bottle of shampoo.

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    xxmgobluexx