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NigelUno said...
The ND-UM game got higher ratings one of the years.
In 2009, OSU-USC got higher ratings than OSU-UM. In 2008, OSU-USC and OSU-Penn State got higher ratings than OSU-UM.
All that just means tOSU is one of the best draws in the Nation!! Citing and nitpicking games does not mean our game has lost luster. It just means people love to watch tOSU play nearly every week. Of course there are gonna be higher rated games here and there... so what? What are you so bothered by? I mean you guys get gameday all to yourselves this week... 1st time in 2 years... enjoy it.
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I already put this in another thread, but here ya go.
Duffy Daugherty: 19 seasons 2 Big Ten championships 109-69-5 (.609) 2ish NCs 3 years probation 10-7-2 against Michigan 6 losing seasons
Bo Schembechler: 21 seasons 13 Big Ten championships 194-48-5 (.796) 16 times in the postseason top 10 0 years probation 17-4 against MSU 0 losing seasons
Lloyd Carr: 13 seasons 5 Big Ten championships 122-40 (.766) 1ish NC 0 years probation 10-3 against MSU 0 losing seasons
AND, as a bonus,
1965: MSU lost in the Rose Bowl, finished 10-1, ranked #2 in the AP, named NC by the UPI. Alabama was named National Champion
1966: MSU tied ND in a #2 vs #1 meeting so both teams were 9-0-1. Due to a stronger SOS, ND was given the AP national championship AND the coaches NC. Undefeated Alabama was #2 in most polls, and one or two obscure ones had MSU as #1.
1997: Michigan and Nebraska finish the season undefeated, both with huge wins over teams that were ranked #3 (PSU for Michigan, Tennessee for Nebraska). Michigan wins the AP NC, Nebraska is named NC by the coaches.
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BBucksorBeGone8 said...
All that just means tOSU is one of the best draws in the Nation!! Citing and nitpicking games does not mean our game has lost luster. It just means people love to watch tOSU play nearly every week. Of course there are gonna be higher rated games here and there... so what? What are you so bothered by? I mean you guys get gameday all to yourselves this week... 1st time in 2 years... enjoy it.
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NigelUno said...
Odd that a guy (you) who dragged TV ratings into this discussion, is now running from them.
Interesting.
I am not shying away I feel like I am running in mud talking about this with you... I have never stated we are the greatest thing since tv ratings... which are the words you keep putting in my mouth. I said the 06 game had the highest tv ratings since ND-FSU in 93 for a regular season game. I then asked in a 4 year span did you really think the game had fallen that much to warrant irrelevancy or lack luster?
I never said we were still on the top of the heap... yet you attempted as most people do to nitpick and select games here and there to make your argument. That is what people lost in a discussion do. You are so desperate to make the game null and void you dont even remember why you are looking up info and stats now. My point and agenda was clear from jump and has not waivered.... you need the jaws of life and a rope to find your way back to the light.
Let me know when you get back on topic if you wanna continue... you da man Nigel!!
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BBucksorBeGone8 said...
I am not shying away I feel like I am running in mud talking about this with you... I have never stated we are the greatest thing since tv ratings... which are the words you keep putting in my mouth. I said the 06 game had the highest tv ratings since ND-FSU in 93 for a regular season game. I then asked in a 4 year span did you really think the game had fallen that much to warrant irrelevancy or lack luster?
I never said we were still on the top of the heap... yet you attempted as most people do to nitpick and select games here and there to make your argument. That is what people lost in a discussion do. You are so desperate to make the game null and void you dont even remember why you are looking up info and stats now. My point and agenda was clear from jump and has not waivered.... you need the jaws of life and a rope to find your way back to the light.
Let me know when you get back on topic if you wanna continue... you da man Nigel!!
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You said it was the "best rivalry on any level." I said it used to be. Glad you now agree with me.
It is the Best Rivalry on any level... do you base that criteria on tv ratings only? Wait.. why am I asking you? How can you have an opinion on what a great rivalry is? My bad.......
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BBucksorBeGone8 said...
I am not shying away I feel like I am running in mud talking about this with you... I have never stated we are the greatest thing since tv ratings... which are the words you keep putting in my mouth. I said the 06 game had the highest tv ratings since ND-FSU in 93 for a regular season game. I then asked in a 4 year span did you really think the game had fallen that much to warrant irrelevancy or lack luster?
I never said we were still on the top of the heap... yet you attempted as most people do to nitpick and select games here and there to make your argument. That is what people lost in a discussion do. You are so desperate to make the game null and void you dont even remember why you are looking up info and stats now. My point and agenda was clear from jump and has not waivered.... you need the jaws of life and a rope to find your way back to the light.
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11 national championships
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Both of us have said dozens of times that it has over the last few years because of how bad UM has been. Have you really not read that?
Dozens of times? Including this one?
"Does not hold the same luster to who? You? The 06 game is the highest rated rated regular season game since Notre Dame FSU in 93. As a fan of neither team how can you state it as fact?"
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I was the one that started the ratings thing, and I even admit it is the best rivalry in college fb. I was just pointing out to Devidee that the ratings have suffered and that they were thinking about moving it. He called BS on it and I provided the link.
There was a lot of press at the time of how the rivalry didn't mean that much anymore, and it was pretty much because OSU was dominating Michigan and the quality of the contests was abysmal.
You are correct about the #1 and #2 game, that was huge. They even gave it a later start to tap into the west coast market.
xxmgoblue is correct in pointing out that the B1G would make the move in the hopes of getting two UM OSU games. No question about it, but there is a downside to it as well which he is glossing over. The move was discussed mostly because the series has been so non competitive as of late and heavily dominated by OSU. The idea was to move it to Oct. get roughly the same audience its getting in Nov. and then split the two up in new marquee match ups that would be able to compete for ratings. Then if both win out score you get a second UM OSU game and huge ratings.
If anyone from your fan base doesn't think a TV exec cares more about ratings and ad revenue than the history of your rivalry, well I don't know what to say. Illinois and Ohio game this weekend got the 3:30 spot purely for economic reasons, bigger markets were going to watch that game (Chicago) than MSU and UM. Its a fact of life.
Bottom line until both schools (OSU and UM) get better the ratings are going to suffer.
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I wasn't aware of the timeframe you were discussing.
You gotta count our BS national champions if you count yours too. Add 2 for Duffy, '55 and '57.
Biggie has 2 as well, I wouldn't call 1952 shared at all. Both major selectors had MSU #1. I know it's pretty weak using wikipedia as a source but they list "consensus national champions" since 1950 which I find interesting.
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I was the one that started the ratings thing, and I even admit it is the best rivalry in college fb. I was just pointing out to Devidee that the ratings have suffered and that they were thinking about moving it. He called BS on it and I provided the link.
There was a lot of press at the time of how the rivalry didn't mean that much anymore, and it was pretty much because OSU was dominating Michigan and the quality of the contests was abysmal.
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xxmgoblue is correct in pointing out that the B1G would make the move in the hopes of getting two UM OSU games. No question about it, but there is a downside to it as well which he is glossing over. The move was discussed mostly because the series has been so non competitive as of late and heavily dominated by OSU. The idea was to move it to Oct. get roughly the same audience its getting in Nov. and then split the two up in new marquee match ups that would be able to compete for ratings. Then if both win out score you get a second UM OSU game and huge ratings.
If anyone from your fan base doesn't think a TV exec cares more about ratings and ad revenue than the history of your rivalry, well I don't know what to say. Illinois and Ohio game this weekend got the 3:30 spot purely for economic reasons, bigger markets were going to watch that game (Chicago) than MSU and UM. Its a fact of life.
Bottom line until both schools (OSU and UM) get better the ratings are going to suffer.
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