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I voted for obama in 08. why shouldn't i this time

  • Wendel Clark said...

    Not sure how these things relate to healthcare legally but they pretty much force you to buy (into) Social Security and buy FDA approved foods

    Well the FDA approved foods is more of a protection against poor production of companies. And the Social Security is a good counterpoint I guess.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    That was 220 years ago, I'm guessing that some things may have changed since then.

    But it shouldn't matter that it was over 200 years ago. Depending on how you view the Constitution, the job of the Supreme Court is to cite cases and laws that provide insight into their decision. The Second Militia Act of 1792 provides a precedent that would allow constitutional interpretation to view in favor of the individual mandate.

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  • Bo Knows said...

    How many of you are going to move when Obama is re-elected?

    hopefully every republican, with the exception of my duaghter and son-in -law

    topmanv

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    But it shouldn't matter that it was over 200 years ago. Depending on how you view the Constitution, the job of the Supreme Court is to cite cases and laws that provide insight into their decision. The Second Militia Act of 1792 provides a precedent that would allow constitutional interpretation to view in favor of the individual mandate.

    If the Supreme Court wanted to they could simply use the Necessary and Proper clause. There would be no need for precedent.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Well the FDA approved foods is more of a protection against poor production of companies. And the Social Security is a good counterpoint I guess.

    I know it is to protect us, you need to eat food to live, but the government only allows FDA approved food to be legally produced, what if I want to buy cheaper but possibly dangerous food and take my chances.

    Similarly, you need a certain standard of health to live, should I be able to risk not buying insurance in hopes that I stay healthy until my old age/undoubtedly going to die. If I don't have insurance should hospitals have the duty to stabilize my condition before turning me away?

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    I know it is to protect us, you need to eat food to live, but the government only allows FDA approved food to be legally produced, what if I want to buy cheaper but possibly dangerous food and take my chances.

    Similarly, you need a certain standard of health to live, should I be able to risk not buying insurance in hopes that I stay healthy until my old age/undoubtedly going to die. If I don't have insurance should hospitals have the duty to stabilize my condition before turning me away?

    Well you could just go get dangerous food from some other country, but that's besides the point. My point is that the government should protect the people from things that they have no control over, like food, but not over things that they do have control over, like their health.

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  • if you voted for him in 08' & are considering a the same choice for the 2nd time , its not likely anything said here can help you .

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    if you voted for him in 08' & are considering a the same choice for the 2nd time , its not likely anything said here can help you .

    Not giving up that easy.

    OP, if you vote for romney, all your wildest dreams will come true.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    47% currently pay no federal income taxes. Do you think those 47% can afford to purchase health insurance?

    Also, the pre-existing issue. A company will take on people with pre-existing/chronic illnesses, knowing in advance they will pay out massive amounts of claims. Those massive amounts of claims will be spread out to all the policy holders. How can this possibly reduce costs?

    Roughly, my company has 700 covered under 200 policies. With obamacare, the parents can now cover children up to the age of 26. For my company, that meant 20 additional people covered under current family policies. That means $0 additional revenue for the insurance company, with more claims to be paid out. Therefore, everyone's premium increases to cover the additional 20 people being cover. Everything about the plan will cause higher premiums.

    Why not? They drive Escalades and big pick ups.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Well you could just go get dangerous food from some other country, but that's besides the point. My point is that the government should protect the people from things that they have no control over, like food, but not over things that they do have control over, like their health.

    I'd say most people afflicted with terrible diseases haven't had that much control of their health. I can see how you wouldn't want to help people self-inflected poor health like meth-heads, overly obese people, people who injure themselves via their own stupidity, but to say that people who were born with certain health conditions or randomly contracted them have control over their health is absurd.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Many of my friends are at the liberal arts college at Columbia and none of them refer to themselves as "Columbia College" students(probably because they don't want to be mistaken for the other Columbia college(s). I realize that almost all universities have several undergraduate and graduate colleges or schools within them, but it is unusual to simply state which school within a university you went to unless it was a pre-professional program or well known, leading me to believe that you just attempted to save yourself with a quick use of Google. Also your comparison is terrible, University of Detroit is a terrible undergraduate school that accepts nearly everyone and is a full-fledged university with many grad programs, including a law and dental school, Occidental is a fairly elite liberal arts college with under 40 percent acceptance rate and is not a university. The top 25(or at the very least 10) percent of kids at Occidental probably have very similar credentials as the bottom 25 percent at Columbia. I know a girl who transferred to Columbia from Michigan after my freshman year, I'd say Michigan is hardly on par with Columbia and has a very similar student profile to Occidental.

    Wrong in so many ways. Occidental is not in UM's league academically. Not even close. UM is a top-flight, internationally-recognized undergrad program; Occidental is for kids in Cali who could not get into the UC system, the Cal Poly Schools, USC or any number of other, better liberal arts colleges out west. The bottom 25% at Columbia would set the curve at any school outside the top 30 in USN≀ the top 5% at Occidental would work very hard at Columbia to get a B- average, and those kids would no business stepping inside a calculus or engineering course - they'd get blown away five minutes after the syllabus is reviewed.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Actually running a successful business is very similar to running a country. Has experience creating a profitable entity while working without debt. Isn't that what we all want for our nation?

    Not exactly unlike running a business where the main goal is to maximize profit you actually have to care about the people.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    I'd say most people afflicted with terrible diseases haven't had that much control of their health. I can see how you wouldn't want to help people self-inflected poor health like meth-heads, overly obese people, people who injure themselves via their own stupidity, but to say that people who were born with certain health conditions or randomly contracted them have control over their health is absurd.

    What I meant was their reaction to their health. If a person buys faulty food he won't know about it. Therefore he never gets the chance to choose his reaction other than get sick. However if a person is sick, they can respond how they want, either by already having insurance or by going without it.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    What I meant was their reaction to their health. If a person buys faulty food he won't know about it. Therefore he never gets the chance to choose his reaction other than get sick. However if a person is sick, they can respond how they want, either by already having insurance or by going without it.

    Here's the problem: 70% of the people who choose NOT to purchase health insurance? Get to use our health system anyway. They just ask someone else to pay for them.

    How on Earth is this something you want to protect? People who choose not to purchase Health Insurance is absolutely economic activity, because they're still purchasing health care - justing asking someone else to fund them.

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  • appoo said...

    Here's the problem: 70% of the people who choose NOT to purchase health insurance? Get to use our health system anyway. They just ask someone else to pay for them.

    How on Earth is this something you want to protect? People who choose not to purchase Health Insurance is absolutely economic activity, because they're still purchasing health care - justing asking someone else to fund them.

    It's a business. If other people want to be so generous as to pay for someone else's health insurance, well good for them. As long as the money still gets pumped into the system.

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  • appoo said...

    Here's the problem: 70% of the people who choose NOT to purchase health insurance? Get to use our health system anyway. They just ask someone else to pay for them.

    How on Earth is this something you want to protect? People who choose not to purchase Health Insurance is absolutely economic activity, because they're still purchasing health care - justing asking someone else to fund them.

    You pay for people to go to public schools too. Are you angry that you are supporting people in poverty's ability to go to school as well.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    You pay for people to go to public schools too. Are you angry that you are supporting people in poverty's ability to go to school as well.

    ???appoo is arguing that everyone should be covered...and please don't compare obamacare to the failure that is the US public school system.

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  • Ronald Reagan would lose in a Republican primary this year. He helped raise taxes , and grew the government. Sounds almost like a Democrat.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    Ronald Reagan was president with Democrat majorities in the house and senate. This required him to compromise, and "compromise" when you don't have the votes means "get maybe 1-2 things you want in addition to them getting everything they want".

    Or perhaps Reagan could have dealt with the opposition party the way Obama does today, and describe the situation above as "obstructionism" and pretend that no president has ever been in this situation before and that divided government is completely wild and unprecedented.

    More reason why Obama is an amazing president. He has to deal with this immature say no to everything Republicans in Congress.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Failed campaign promises. Has shown little ability to fix the economy whereas Romney has run a successful business (what is the government but a large business?).

    Failed campaign promises is what every president does. Obama has accomplished most of his promises and everyone knows that the problems that he came into would not be fixed in 4 years. If they were that easy to fix it would not have been a problem in the first place. I don't consider anything he has done perfect, but a lot of people forget that its really not all about him. Its not the president that does the work. Its the people. When you have a coach that gets you excited to work hard you work hard. With Obama its the same way. Even though you may not agree with everything he does. He has accomplished more that the last 3 presidents. Downvote me if you want but these problems that we have stem from Reagan and his flaw economic ideas. Putting more money into the hands of the rich is suppose to help people below poverty level how? Actually in my opinion it would work better the opposite format. More money in the hands of the consumer means more money in the market being spent. America's problems are not the result of this one man. They are the result of years worth of idiots making bad choice upon bad choice.

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  • wow , absolutely incredible

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  • Man these trolls are something else.

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    wow , absolutely incredible

    Lmao lol.

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  • TerpsSoccer said...

    Lmao lol.

    biggrin

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  • You libtards are ridiculous. You blindly support Obozo, it doesn't matter what he does... since he is part of the leech party that means you love anything he does.

    maizegoblue

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