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I will give Obama my full support if:

  • And BTW for those of you praising the British gun ban...gun crime has gone up in Britain since their ban. So not the model to follow.

    TroyTide ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I guess it depends on the modification, but assault weapons have been used in almost a quarter of the of the mass murders since 1982. Imagine a twenty-five percent difference? That's huge in one measure.

    That's because of the major mafia days. From my lifetime (I have the worst memory of all time) there has not been a mass murder in 23 years caused by a weapon banned by the gov.

    BenelliDawg

  • BenelliDawg said...

    That's because of the major mafia days. From my lifetime (I have the worst memory of all time) there has not been a mass murder in 23 years caused by a weapon banned by the gov.

    I'm having trouble finding the actual incidents and weapon used. You have anything?

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  • Are pysh evals plausible or are they just as wasteful as drug testing welfare recipients? Or are you guys suggesting the prospective buyer pays it themselves?

    SCirish843

  • SCirish843 said...

    Are pysh evals plausible or are they just as wasteful as drug testing welfare recipients? Or are you guys suggesting the prospective buyer pays it themselves?

    I see where you are going, but the reason behind drug testing and welfare benefits and the reason behind psych tests aren't even in the same ballpark.

    I think it would be easy to set a program funded through a small tax on bullets or weapons (so essentially the purchasers would be paying for it).

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  • SCirish843 said...

    Are pysh evals plausible or are they just as wasteful as drug testing welfare recipients? Or are you guys suggesting the prospective buyer pays it themselves?

    I'd say make the buyer pay for it. No reason for it to be some state sponsored psychiatrist or anything. But maybe I'm being naive in thinking doctors have more respect for their professions than to just wave a guy on to make a quick buck for said test. shrug

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    sf2k4

  • sf2k4 said...

    I'd say make the buyer pay for it. No reason for it to be some state sponsored psychiatrist or anything. But maybe I'm being naive in thinking doctors have more respect for their professions than to just wave a guy on to make a quick buck for said test. shrug

    I think the threat of high fines or loss of medical license if negligence was found is incentive enough not to eff up.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I think the threat of high fines or loss of medical license if negligence was found is incentive enough not to eff up.

    I think so, too, but you know that argument will be coming shortly.

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    sf2k4

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I'm having trouble finding the actual incidents and weapon used. You have anything?

    That's my point. There is not a weapon used considered under the FAWB that has been used in a long time

    BenelliDawg

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I see where you are going, but the reason behind drug testing and welfare benefits and the reason behind psych tests aren't even in the same ballpark.

    I think it would be easy to set a program funded through a small tax on bullets or weapons (so essentially the purchasers would be paying for it).

    I like that, I feel bad for my friends who smoke because I see how much cigs are taxed these days but major tobacco companies are forced to 'donate' money towards cancer research and such. As an owner of multiple guns I would have no problem paying a little extra on ammunition if it kept guns out of the hands of these shitdiots.

    SCirish843

  • BenelliDawg said...

    That's my point. There is not a weapon used considered under the FAWB that has been used in a long time

    No. I'm having a hard time finding detailed statistics all all. It's almost impossible to find accounts of individual acts. That's why I'm hesitant to make any claims.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    No. I'm having a hard time finding detailed statistics all all. It's almost impossible to find accounts of individual acts. That's why I'm hesitant to make any claims.

    You simply google every mass murder of late and look at the weapons used. There have been zero weapons used under the prohibited weapons according to the ban that I know of.

    Btw. Sort of drunk.

    This post was edited by BenelliDawg on 12/15/2012 at 9:58 PM

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  • Incidents with weapons that either were or should be considered assault weapons IMO:

    1)Aurora/Holmes 2012: S&W AR15
    2)Geneva County/Mclendon 2009: Bushmaster AR15
    3)Omaha Mall/Hawkins 2007: AKM
    4)Crandon WI/Petersen 2007: AR15
    5) Carson City IHOP/ Sencion 2011: Norinco Mak 90

    That's what I've found so far.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Guns.........they kill. I am tired of the redneck and street thug population keeping lobbyist from doing away with them. The politician that will standup against that will get my support.

    Native Americans hunted long before guns were around. No excuse, IMO.

    Guns dont kill you idiot. The person behind them do. By your logic I suppose spoons make people fat, cars kill, knives kill.

    BamaNtn92 ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Incidents with weapons that either were or should be considered assault weapons IMO:

    1)Aurora/Holmes 2012: S&W AR15
    2)Geneva County/Mclendon 2009: Bushmaster AR15
    3)Omaha Mall/Hawkins 2007: AKM
    4)Crandon WI/Petersen 2007: AR15
    5) Carson City IHOP/ Sencion 2011: Norinco Mak 90

    That's what I've found so far.

    Look at the description of the "assault weapons ban" and compare the weapons. I know for a fact the aurora incident did not consist of that description. I'm on my phone and don't have the time to look up the other instances.

    I have a bushmaster ar15 and is does not fall under the caregory of the ban.

    This post was edited by BenelliDawg on 12/15/2012 at 10:38 PM

    BenelliDawg

  • BenelliDawg said...

    Look at the description of the "assault weapons ban" and compare the weapons. I know for a fact the aurora incident did not consist of that description. I'm on my phone and don't have the time to look up the other instances.

    I have a bushmaster ar15 and is does not fall under the caregory of the ban.

    How does the AR15 not fall under the criteria?

    Batman Shooting: Assault Weapons Ban Would Not Have Stopped James Eagan Holmes

    The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was a wreck. Sadly, renewing it in s tragedy.

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  • Nm

    Expired Assault Weapons Ban Would Have Covered Rifle Used In Colorado Shooting | ThinkProgress

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/20/557811/expired-assault-weapons-ban-would-have-covered-rifle-used-in-colorado-shooting/?mobile=wp

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  • BamaNtn92 said...

    Guns dont kill you idiot. The person behind them do. By your logic I suppose spoons make people fat, cars kill, knives kill.

    What about hollow point and armor piercing ammunition?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    How does the AR15 not fall under the criteria?

    Does it have: pistol grip, suppressor, automatic capability, and etc? Google the federal bans on weapons and compare. I've already compared the weapons used in the latest incidents and none are prohibited.

    BenelliDawg

  • BenelliDawg said...

    Does it have: pistol grip, suppressor, automatic capability, and etc? Google the federal bans on weapons and compare. I've already compared the weapons used in the latest incidents and none are prohibited.

    The guy in the policymic article admitted it did, but depending on certain conditions and loopholes Holmes could have acquired a similar gun (which IMO should be changed in a reinstatement.

    I think you are confusing some criteria have to be all the criteria or the only applicable criteria.

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  • Fvck obama.

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    SEC SEC SEC!!!

    USMCAG

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The guy in the policymic article admitted it did, but depending on certain conditions and loopholes Holmes could have acquired a similar gun (which IMO should be changed in a reinstatement.

    I think you are confusing some criteria have to be all the criteria or the only applicable criteria.

    I'm not. I've compared my weapons with the FAWB and none of them have fallen under the criteria. I have multiple ar15s, pistols, shotguns, and huntin rifles and none have been. My ar is the most comparable and all it has that is mentioned is a telescopic stock. I have a pistol grip but 1) it doesn't change anything and 2) is not comfortable to me, so it's not attached. If you wiki the federal weapons ban, none of the weapons used in the last 5 years have fallen under that category

    This post was edited by BenelliDawg on 12/15/2012 at 11:47 PM

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  • BenelliDawg said...

    I'm not. I've compared my weapons with the FAWB and none of them have fallen under the criteria. I have multiple ar15s, pistols, shotguns, and huntin rifles and none have been. My ar is the most comparable and all it has that is mentioned is a telescopic stock. I have a pistol grip but 1) it doesn't change anything and 2) is not comfortable to me, so it's not attached. If you wiki the federal weapons ban, none of the weapons used in the last 5 years have fallen under that category

    But how do you know they don't fall under the criteria? I just gave the gun model, not the actual gun type.

    Even still, I have zero problems adding more stringent components to the FAWB (I'd also like to add that I would be open to, but not happy with using a program similar to what sf2k proposed).

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    But how do you know they don't fall under the criteria? I just gave the gun model, not the actual gun type.

    Even still, I have zero problems adding more stringent components to the FAWB (I'd also like to add that I would be open to, but not happy with using a program similar to what sf2k proposed).

    Because I've read the criteria for the FWAB.

    The point of arguing about this is people are just going to be more adamant on changing shit that should not be changed

    BenelliDawg

  • BenelliDawg said...

    Because I've read the criteria for the FWAB.

    The point of arguing about this is people are just going to be more adamant on changing shit that should not be changed

    But you don't know the specs of the ACTUAL guns being used.

    And yes the stuff does need to be changed. We need stuff done, not status quo.

    I'm sorry if that offends you.

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