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I wonder why one is Heisman Finalist and the other wasn't

  • Alabama
    13-0 SEC Champs
    #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB
    Roland McClain
    100 Total Tackles (49 Solo, 51 Assisted)
    12.5 TFL
    4 Sacks
    4 PBU
    14 QB Hurries
    1 FF
    2 INT

    Notre Dame
    12-0
    #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB
    Manti Te'o
    103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted)
    5.5 TFL
    1.5 Sacks
    4 PBU
    4 QB Hurries
    0 FF
    7 INT

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    Hmmm... I wonder why.......

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 12/5/2012 at 4:21 PM

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  • Legit question, imo.

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    Rabid

  • Probably because Donkey Kong Suh represented all the defensive players that year.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Alabama 13-0 SEC Champs #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB Roland McClain 104 Total Tackles (51 Solo, 53 Assisted) 14.5 TFL 4 Sacks 5 PBU 14 QB Hurries 1 FF 2 INT

    Notre Dame 12-0 #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB Manti Te'o 103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted) 5.5 TFL 1.5 Sacks 4 PBU 4 QB Hurries 0 FF 7 INT

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    Hmmm... I wonder why.......

    McClain=NFL Bust... These are facts.

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  • Gerhart, Ingram, McCoy, Tebow, and Suh are 5 good reasons why

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  • big john said...

    McClain=NFL Bust... These are facts.

    What does that have to do with the OP's question?

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  • dpfenny said...

    Gerhart, Ingram, McCoy, Tebow, and Suh are 5 good reasons why

    You just listed four offensive players and a lineman. I don't see a linebacker.

    Those stats are Heisman worthy for a MLB on an undefeated team and the number one scoring defense one year, but not the other?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Alabama
    13-0 SEC Champs
    #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB
    Roland McClain
    104 Total Tackles (51 Solo, 53 Assisted)
    14.5 TFL
    4 Sacks
    5 PBU
    14 QB Hurries
    1 FF
    2 INT

    Notre Dame
    12-0
    #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB
    Manti Te'o
    103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted)
    5.5 TFL
    1.5 Sacks
    4 PBU
    4 QB Hurries
    0 FF
    7 INT

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    Hmmm... I wonder why.......

    If you want to use stats from 2009 heisman trophy stuff, Toby Gerhardt is your winner.

    Dude had better stats and faced statistically better defenses than Ingram.

    Alonzo Harris

  • By the way, McClain didn't even finish in the Top 10 of voting.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    If you want to use stats from 2009 heisman trophy stuff, Toby Gerhardt is your winner.

    Dude had better stats and faced statistically better defenses than Ingram.

    We ain't arguing those guys fool. Stay on topic ninja

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    You just listed four offensive players and a lineman. I don't see a linebacker.

    Those stats are Heisman worthy for a MLB on an undefeated team and the number one scoring defense one year, but not the other?

    So who is he going to replace of those 5? You tell us.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    If you want to use stats from 2009 heisman trophy stuff, Toby Gerhardt is your winner.

    Dude had better stats and faced statistically better defenses than Ingram.

    absolutely

    dpfenny ●

  • dpfenny said...

    So who is he going to replace of those 5? You tell us.

    Tebow for one. He was only invited because he's Tim Tebow.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Alabama 13-0 SEC Champs #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB Roland McClain 104 Total Tackles (51 Solo, 53 Assisted) 14.5 TFL 4 Sacks 5 PBU 14 QB Hurries 1 FF 2 INT

    Notre Dame 12-0 #1 Scoring Defense

    MLB Manti Te'o 103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted) 5.5 TFL 1.5 Sacks 4 PBU 4 QB Hurries 0 FF 7 INT

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    Hmmm... I wonder why.......

    LOL at the OP trying to compare 14 games to 12.

    http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/teamcume.html#TEAM.DEF

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 12/5/2012 at 4:16 PM

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  • dpfenny said...

    LOL at the OP trying to compare 14 games to 12.

    http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/teamcume.html#TEAM.DEF

    The reference I used saio 13,but I'll change them. I don't think they are that big of a difference after you take out the BCSNG.

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  • dpfenny said...

    LOL at the OP trying to compare 14 games to 12.

    http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/teamcume.html#TEAM.DEF

    Ok how about comparing these two.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The reference I used saio 13,but I'll change them. I don't think they are that big of a difference after you take out the BCSNG.

    yes adding 2 more games of stats means little.roflmao

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  • dpfenny said...

    yes adding 2 more games of stats means little.roflmao

    Uh...players are able to get stats in their 13th game and count...not sure why I'm supposed to extrapolate them to 12 because y'all dont play a CCG.

    By the way, they are still pretty much the exact same.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    If you want to use stats from 2009 heisman trophy stuff, Toby Gerhardt is your winner.

    Dude had better stats and faced statistically better defenses than Ingram.

    PAC 10....."Better" defenses than in the SEC?

    See Reggie Bush 2005 yards per carry as well as the career yards per carry of LaMichael James at Oregon. Now see their NFL yards per carry....at least for Bush. Bush averaged 8.7 yards per carry in 2005, 200 carries, 1,740 yards. When's the last time a RB got substantial carries in the SEC and managed that type of average yards per carry?

    You can also take a look at the number of NFL defensive players by conference. I suppose you think Thomas Tyner would run wild in Georgia 6A too? Ask Chip Kelly. Different breed of athlete in these parts.

    South hub for elite defensive line recruits like Jadeveon Clowney - Andy Staples - SI.com

    UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel posed a fascinating question during a conversation last summer. Where, Neuheisel asked, can a coach go to find the best defensive linemen?

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

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  • Another article depicting the regional differences.

    Where Do The Best College Football Players Come From? - Corn Nation

    Where do NFL players (and college footballs elite players) come from? Some in-depth statistics and interactive maps to help answer the question.

    www.cornnation.com

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie ●

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    PAC 10....."Better" defenses than in the SEC?

    See Reggie Bush 2005 yards per carry as well as the career yards per carry of LaMichael James at Oregon. Now see their NFL yards per carry....at least for Bush. Bush averaged 8.7 yards per carry in 2005, 200 carries, 1,740 yards. When's the last time a RB got substantial carries in the SEC and managed that type of average yards per carry?

    You can also take a look at the number of NFL defensive players by conference. I suppose you think Thomas Tyner would run wild in Georgia 6A too? Ask Chip Kelly. Different breed of athlete in these parts.

    I said statistically better defenses in 2009, yes. You wanna look at Percy Harvin's 9.4 and 9.2 per pop in 2007 and 2008? There you are.

    How about Darren McFadden averaging 5.8 for his career, just a bit short of Bush's 7.3 with nearly twice the carries.

    Bush also averaged 15.9 per carry against the only SEC defense he faced in 2005 as well as 23.3 per catch, doesn't help your case does it?

    Lmao at comparing Georgia to Oregon. No there isn't a different type of athlete, we have the most NFLers of any state in CA, so save it. I remember DeAnthony Thomas making North Gwinnett players look like they were running in sand a few years ago. That was a complete mismatch, talk about running wild.

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 12/5/2012 at 5:32 PM

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  • If statatistical defenses faced were applicable, this year Klein wouldn't even be a candidate.

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