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  • Why Penn State shouldn't get LOIC. If there has ever been a LOIC case, this is it. Their football program should be permanently shut down.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Because it's not a NCAA issue.

    /thread.

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    nowayman

  • nowayman said...

    Because it's not a NCAA issue.

    /thread.

    ^

    Everyone just gets to sit back and know they are the most effed up athletic department and university in America. What's been lost lately is the discussed and known nature of these instances elsewhere on campus. I forget who it was but one of their former AA linebackers who's mom works on campus knew about it and it was not a secret.

    At PSU they just rape little boys.

    fsufsu

  • nowayman said...

    Because it's not a NCAA issue.

    /thread.

    They are saying that it could fall under the NCAA'S ethic's code somehow. It is still such ashame that a great institution has been dragged through the mud because of one sick & demented individual. I hope they fry that bastard.

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    big john

  • Don't get me wrong. F' sandusky and all the people that covered up for him.

    It's still not an ncaa issue. It's that cut and dry.

    For example, if Hoke went on a rampage (heaven forbid) and shot up the entire campus of Michigan that would have nothing to do with the NCAA. That's not a LOIC that's Hoke being the (bad) hulk.

    And once again I refer you to my first statement. I'm not making light of the situation, it's sick. I'm simply trying to use an analogy.

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  • nowayman said...

    Because it's not a NCAA issue.

    /thread.

    Oh really? I would think that this athletic department operates within the NCAA, does it not?

    Alonzo Harris

  • nowayman said...

    Don't get me wrong. F' sandusky and all the people that covered up for him.

    It's still not an ncaa issue. It's that cut and dry.

    For example, if Hoke went on a rampage (heaven forbid) and shot up the entire campus of Michigan that would have nothing to do with the NCAA. That's not a LOIC that's Hoke being the (bad) hulk.

    And once again I refer you to my first statement. I'm not making light of the situation, it's sick. I'm simply trying to use an analogy.

    Bad analogy. Thats a rouge issue. If the entire athletic department knew that Hoke was going to shoot up the school and didn't do anything it would be a comparison.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Bad analogy. Thats a rouge issue. If the entire athletic department knew that Hoke was going to shoot up the school and didn't do anything it would be a comparison.

    Damn Zo your making some good point's bra. +1

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Bad analogy. Thats a rouge issue. If the entire athletic department knew that Hoke was going to shoot up the school and didn't do anything it would be a comparison.

    No man. It has to be a violation of preset policy. They don't use the model penal code. They do not include criminal violations. That should be clear over the years.

    Once again, this is in no way shape or form an apology of sandusky.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Oh really? I would think that this athletic department operates within the NCAA, does it not?

    It's a criminal issue, not a NCAA one. The courts are taking care of it. Sandusky is toast, and things aren't looking good for Spanier and co.

    Just to play along with you, what sanction do you propose they place on PSU? Which program(s) are they going to go after and why? Just let me remind you before answering that Sandusky wasn't a coach in 2001.

    This post was edited by getmyjive11 on 6/13/2012 at 11:59 PM

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  • nowayman said...

    No man. It has to be a violation of preset policy. They don't use the model penal code. They do not include criminal violations. That should be clear over the years.

    Once again, this is in no way shape or form an apology of sandusky.

    Believe me, the NCAA doesn't give two s**ts about their policies or precedence. They are the judge, jury, and executioner. They have zero due process, and can do whatever the hell they want. If they wanted to, they could abolish that athletic department and Penn State couldn't do a thing.

    Alonzo Harris

  • getmyjive11 said...

    It's a criminal issue, not a NCAA one. The courts are taking care of it. Sandusky is toast, and things aren't looking good for Spanier and co.

    Just to play along with you, what sanction do you propose they place on PSU? Which program(s) are they going to go after and why? Just let me remind you before answering that Sandusky wasn't a coach in 2001.

    Paterno was. He was your head coach. Curley was your AD. They both knew, and they knew when Sandusky was coaching and molesting kids at the same time.

    Death Pentalty for the football program. This makes SMU seem like they were selling lemonade.

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 6/14/2012 at 12:15 AM

    Alonzo Harris

  • Find one instance where they nailed a school for a criminal violation that had nothing to do with an ncaa violation. Yeah, I'll wait.

    Notice I have nothing for or against PSU.

    This post was edited by nowayman on 6/14/2012 at 12:15 AM

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  • Still waiting. Oh wait, you don't have crap? What a surprise.

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  • nowayman said...

    Find one instance where they nailed a school for a criminal violation that had nothing to do with an ncaa violation. Yeah, I'll wait.

    Notice I have nothing for or against PSU.

    Why do they test athletes for street drugs? Has nothing to do with performance enhancement. Only applies to criminal activity.

    Name a case where they allowed free agency before USC. You can't find one. They make punishments up, and can fit almost anything they want into the bylaws. They are plenty vague and there is no appellate court to keep the prosecution in check. They can do WHATEVER they want.

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 6/14/2012 at 12:21 AM

    Alonzo Harris

  • That's what you came up with?

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  • nowayman said...

    That's what you came up with?

    Find one instance where the NCAA used precedence. They don't, so your argument is moot.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Paterno was. He was your head coach. Curley was your AD. They both knew, and they knew when Sandusky was coaching and molesting kids at the same time.

    Death Pentalty for the football program. This makes SMU seem like they were selling lemonade.

    You aren't telling me what this has to do with the football program. Paterno reported the incident to his superiors. He was not charged with a crime (not that it matters because criminal actions do not relate to the NCAA).

    When you figure that out, get back to me.

    getmyjive11

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Why do they test athletes for street drugs? Has nothing to do with performance enhancement. Only applies to criminal activity.

    Name a case where they allowed free agency before USC. You can't find one. They make punishments up, and can fit almost anything they want into the bylaws. They are plenty vague and there is no appellate court to keep the prosecution in check. They can do WHATEVER they want.

    The NCAA doesn't test athletes for drugs, the schools do. It's the schools own policy. There has never been an NCAA sanction handed down due to failed drug tests.

    getmyjive11

  • Definition of strawman.

    Look it up. Understand it and realize why you have no point.

    Edit: doubt you needed to know this get, but this wasn't directed at you.

    This post was edited by nowayman on 6/14/2012 at 12:30 AM

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    You aren't telling me what this has to do with the football program. Paterno reported the incident to his superiors. He was not charged with a crime (not that it matters because criminal actions do not relate to the NCAA).

    When you figure that out, get back to me.

    You Penn State fans are the only people on the planet who believe that Paterno is clean in this thing. Holy hell, its a stretch to call things this, but its like a cult. Yes it has to do with the football program, because the head coach and athletic director were directly involved in keeping a child molestor's farm of victims (which was promoted on and funded by the name of said football program). This was allowed to operate within the football program's facilities, under jurisdiction of the heads of the athletic department. You can try and look at this as everyone is out to get you and there is incorrect information out there, but you guys are trying to skew it to fit the image of your hero.

    That is why that program needs to sit a few years out and gain some perspective. Football isn't as important as a University understanding that child molestation shouldn't be swept under the rug and allowed. Penn State lost track of that, and obviously won't accept that anytime soon.

    Alonzo Harris

  • getmyjive11 said...

    The NCAA doesn't test athletes for drugs, the schools do. It's the schools own policy. There has never been an NCAA sanction handed down due to failed drug tests.

    The NCAA does test athletes for drugs. I've been tested by the NCAA for street drugs bud. Have athletes not been rendered ineligible for street drug use? Thats a criminal act.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Can't argue a point, makes his own point. sad.

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  • nowayman said...

    Definition of strawman.

    Look it up. Understand it and realize why you have no point.

    Edit: doubt you needed to know this get, but this wasn't directed at you.

    My argument with you is that the NCAA's bylaws are vague enough, and their jurisdiction is draconian enough that if they had some morals and wanted to do something (outside of lining their pockets) to help collegiate athletics they would. I understand that you don't defend Penn State, but I disagree that the NCAA can't cover this. They can.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    My argument with you is that the NCAA's bylaws are vague enough, and their jurisdiction is draconian enough that if they had some morals and wanted to do something (outside of lining their pockets) to help collegiate athletics they would. I understand that you don't defend Penn State, but I disagree that the NCAA can't cover this. They can.

    And once again, I ask you to post a single example where the NCAA has put its foot down regarding a criminal issue

    A single one.

    ?

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