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They haven't, outside of making kids sit out for criminal activities.

Do you really think that the NCAA uses precedence in their cases? They have stated that cases are situational, and history has no bearing on their current ones.

Them not doing anything in the past does not mean that they won't or can't do something in the future without changing their bylaws.

There is no such thing as moral superiority. It's all a social contract. Sandusky and everyone that covered it up broke that. Trying to throw "the football program" under based on the actions of those monsters might possibly make you a monster yourself and you might want to stop for that reason.

In the context of social norms, yes there is. Unless you disagree about facilitation of child molestation being wrong. If not, you are running on a different set of morals than the majority of American society.

This football program was placed of higher importance than the kids that were molested by the leaders in charge. Judging by the continued support of said leaders by the population of the school and area, nothing is changing. Penn State football has done more harm to society than good by a large margin. It's absence is good for the University and society IMO. Its also a good setting that collegiate athletics does not matter more than the lives of kids. Apparently that makes me a monster. Good logic.

What I'm saying is they have no boundary of jurisdiction when it comes to collegiate athletics under their umbrella.

As I said, feel free to make up terms and straw man arguments all you want. Sure you're not doing what sandusky did, but you're a monster all the same. Judging an entire group of people based on your interpretation of morals.

Jump on the pedestal. Neither of us is talking about Sandusky, whom we both condemn. Or the people who covered it up, whom we both condemn. No you're judging an entire group of clueless people. You're jumping on a pedestal to make yourself feel better about the monsters in your own closet.

Hai, they are going to trial. What are you doing? Jumping on that box despite the fact. Alonzo Harris, you're probably doing more to hurt our (and I mean the American) culture than the people at PSU and the PSU football program that didn't know about this.

Welcome to being the stuff roiling in the sewer. That's you.

Wow, thats really what have I done? Placed my support of the importance of kids safety over the football program of an educational establishment? A little high ground you are taking to suggest that other people can't make judgements, I guess only you can do that and express your opinion nowayman. Me expressing mine makes me a monster.

Me=Sandusky
Opinion making on an internet message board = molesting kids.

Monsters in my closet, nice try Ms. Cleo. You missed a little bit, but good try at blanket psychiatry. You should actually work for the NCAA, maybe you already do seeing your defensiveness about them.

No, what you have just done is conflate ideas because you have no reading comprehension.

You are a monster for a different reason.

But if you want to argue you're less of a monster (which I'd agree with) feel free. That doesn't mean you don't have a forked tongue and four freaking heads.

Continue Ms. Cleo: tell me of my monstrosities. Show me all of the lives I've ruined. I'm sure you can ask those close to me about my abomination as a human being.

Sandusky was sick. Our job in society is to stop people that are sick from doing harm, to protect the good of the people. Here is the NCAA mission statement. I guess I'm out of line for thinking that this failed when Penn State's system failed. Basically everything on this list was s**t on by what happened at Penn State.

Mission Statement of NCAA*

Core Ideology:
The NCAA's core ideology consists of two notions: core purpose - the organization's reason for being - and core values - essential and enduring principles that guide an organization.

Core Purpose:
Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount.

Core Values:
The Association - through its member institutions, conferences and national office staff - shares a belief in and commitment to:

· The collegiate model of athletics in which students participate as an avocation, balancing their academic, social and athletics experiences.

· The highest levels of integrity and sportsmanship.

· The pursuit of excellence in both academics and athletics.

· The supporting role that intercollegiate athletics plays in the higher education mission and in enhancing the sense of community and strengthening the identity of member institutions.

· An inclusive culture that fosters equitable participation for student-athletes and career opportunities for coaches and administrators from diverse backgrounds.

· Respect for institutional autonomy and philosophical differences.

· Presidential leadership of intercollegiate athletics at the campus, conference and national levels.

Bro, this is all in relation to athletics, which ironically, PSU's NCAA compliance record is impeccable.

It's as simple as that.

Go ahead and show me where I attacked the Penn State fan base. I never said I was better than them, just that i have an outside opinion looking in. You make so many damn assumptions and errors in reading my argument that you're unbearable to have a discussion with.

I think the following of Joe Paterno was cult-like, and from an outside opinion the football program has been paramount to what happened. Football doesn't matter that much to me, but it does to some people, and I don't think that's right. The NCAA agrees. I think they should enforce that instead of only caring about money.

You also refuse to have a discussion without calling the counter a monster. I don't really care about anonymity, if you were sitting with me my argument would be the same.

It tells me that these guys were messed up, but I don't think that Paterno escapes that. I haven't been to Happy Valley to gauge the atmosphere, but from the rioting after Paterno's dismissal and opinions expressed on the Penn State boards, the guy is still a saint in the eyes of many there. Sure Shultz and Curley are flamed but Joe is still loved and that's not right. Joe called the shots there, he didn't have a boss. I don't think there's much more messed up than not being sick like Sandusky and still allowing that stuff to continue.

I know there are pockets and individuals like yourself, but there needs to be a bigger understanding of the problems within that football program IMO. Maybe a bomb gets dropped that blows up that notion, but until something else comes out I don't see it as anything but protecting the program and Sandusky's image.

If I can relate it to what happened at USC: I don't absolve Pete of not knowing about Bush. I think he knew Bush was getting paid by Lake, but didn't want to tell anyone out of fear of the program looking bad. The buck stopped with Pete, and he was in control of everything that went on. I don't get pissed about that because Reggie taking money didn't hurt anybody or give him an advantage. If Pete knew that Bush was having sex with little kids and did the absolute bare minimum required by law to help I would completely change the feelings I had about him, and the football program he was operating. Some do that, but once again judging from the vocal presence of your fan base many don't.

Exactly. One of the things that people from outside PSU can't seem to understand was that Spanier had control of the university from the mid to late 90's.

And I'm sorry, but if this guy argument is that PSU should get sanctions because PSU fans like Paterno too much... well I don't even know what to say to that.