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FSULaura said...
If the NCAA wants to, they can easily bring this under Article 10 of the bylaws- Ethical Conduct.
10.01 General Principle. "Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports."
10.1. Unethical Conduct. Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member...may include, but is not limited to, the following: (a) - (j) list things that cover different subject matter (drugs or admissions, etc.) but ALL go to fraud/cover up/lying.
It's not always what you do or don't do that is the problem. It's lying about it.
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Alonzo Harris said...
You Penn State fans are the only people on the planet who believe that Paterno is clean in this thing. Holy hell, its a stretch to call things this, but its like a cult. Yes it has to do with the football program, because the head coach and athletic director were directly involved in keeping a child molestor's farm of victims (which was promoted on and funded by the name of said football program). This was allowed to operate within the football program's facilities, under jurisdiction of the heads of the athletic department. You can try and look at this as everyone is out to get you and there is incorrect information out there, but you guys are trying to skew it to fit the image of your hero.
That is why that program needs to sit a few years out and gain some perspective. Football isn't as important as a University understanding that child molestation shouldn't be swept under the rug and allowed. Penn State lost track of that, and obviously won't accept that anytime soon.
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getmyjive11 said...
He wasn't a co-worker, he was a retired employee and Paterno had no link to him at that time.
Look, I'm not saying that Paterno took the best course of action because clearly he should have taken McQueary to the police station right away. But him sending the information to his superiors should still have gotten things accomplished.
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pstrjohn said...
Somehow I get the feeling that if it was your child that had been raped, your sick loyalty wouldn't be so strong.
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getmyjive11 said...
I'm pretty damn sure that I would be mad at Sandusky, Spanier, Curley and Schultz before Paterno. And please stop with this "sick loyalty" BS, I went to PSU from 2000 to 2004 and there wasn't a day that I wanted him gone as a coach. I live a couple of miles away from the stadium yet I never visited his statue nor have I felt the need to. I think he was a good man who made a serious, serious mistake and until there is evidence that he was helping Spanier cover this up to protect the football program, I'm not going to accuse him of that. The guy F'd up. My university F'd up. I'm glad that they removed him and everyone else involved right away.
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If you don't want to accuse him then that is your prerogative, but why the constant defense of his inaction and head turning? Do you not think he should have done more?
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Alonzo Harris said...
Believe me, the NCAA doesn't give two s**ts about their policies or precedence. They are the judge, jury, and executioner. They have zero due process, and can do whatever the hell they want. If they wanted to, they could abolish that athletic department and Penn State couldn't do a thing.
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ejb5212 said...
Joe didn't have the power to ban sandusky from campus or football buildings and he believed going to schultz was going to the head of the university park police (who had jurisdiction in the one incident).... So minus going to the police and banning sandusky from campus what more could he have done? Serious question what more would you want from a man who didnt even witness the event and the guy who told him what happened has changed his story 4 times.....
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pstrjohn said...
Going to the police would have been just fine. Even going to the actual campus police. Not calling some administrator and passing the buck. And please don't give me the "Joe thought that Shultz was the head of the Police" the man had been at the University for 40 years and knew exactly what Shultz was and what he did. And how do you know what "Joe" believe anyway? Serious question. JP himself said that he should have done more and he should have.....Period.
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I want to know what was said to him by Spanier, Curley and Schultz after they decided to sit on this. It is important because it could explain why he didn't push the issue. If they told him nothing notworthy, it would be disappointing and I would condem Paterno on the spot.
Despite me not being a supporter of Paterno over the last 10 years, there is no denying the good that he did for the university. That is why you see so many people defending Paterno. It's easy for someone on the outside to just bury him right away, but that is because you don't have any kind of attachment to him. Most PSU fans are being objective and are just waiting to see all the information come out. That is all.
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