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If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, should he be arrested?

  • he would of been arrested no doubt about it lol he aint even allowed to have a gun

    TravisFLAx8

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Zimmerman didn't have to do anything illegal top make martin feel that his life was in danger. Trayvon didn't do anything illegal either.

    I was going to type out a long response to this but I deleted it and I'm done. If you can't understand why attacking a killing a neighborhood watch guard who has a legal concealed weapons permit for asking a kid questions in a public place is wrong, then there is no helping you. I mean that, you have no chance

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    Weedline

  • Nolein3D said...

    She shoot one yet? I'd get her an AR15 if I were you... or even better an MP5K.

    lets move this over to the DTC thread, we dont want to spoil this troll thread....

    hillbillyzombie

  • kiddynamite

  • Weedline said...

    Since Zimmerman did nothing illegal, then no. He had a permit for his gun and it is not against the law to confront and question someone in a public place. I would have probably jacked him in the face too, but if I ended uo killing the man then I would definitely go to jail. Really stupid question OP

    Exactly, +1. Zimmerman didn't do anything illegal. Trayvon did with the unprovoked assault on GZ (having a gun on you while asking someone questions is NOT provocation).

    BTW, how does the OP know that GZ didn't ID himself at all? Did Trayvon tell the OP this? Reasonable Doubt = Allison Dubois?

    Nicolae

  • Weedline said...

    I was going to type out a long response to this but I deleted it and I'm done. If you can't understand why attacking a killing a neighborhood watch guard who has a legal concealed weapons permit for asking a kid questions in a public place is wrong, then there is no helping you. I mean that, you have no chance

    The police that was on scene said that matin had no idea who zimmerman was and he wishes that zimmerman had identified himself.

    You continue say that martin attacked zimmerman. Winning a fight doesn't mean that you started it. We aren't sure who hit whom first.

    My only question is whether or not it's reasonable for martin to be afraid of an unknown guy following. ....especially when (according to zimmerman's father) he saw the gun

    ReasonableDoubt

  • Weedline said...

    I was going to type out a long response to this but I deleted it and I'm done. If you can't understand why attacking a killing a neighborhood watch guard who has a legal concealed weapons permit for asking a kid questions in a public place is wrong, then there is no helping you. I mean that, you have no chance

    The problem with this is, Zimmerman does NOT have the right to detain or question people. Without Zimmerman, Martin would still be alive.

    That one fact, that a 17 year old is dead, should trump everything else. I feel bad for George Zimmerman, but if he wasnt such a gung ho ass, with a desire to play Batman, then none of this would have happened.

    AlwaysMore

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    You jump in every person they even infers that zimmerman did anything wrong and hyperbolize their pov.
    Others call martin a drugged out thug and you agree.

    Neither of those statements are true.

    And we've been over this. The only opinion I've given concerning the case is that I wouldn't find fault with neighborhood watch stopping me if I were walking in a neighborhood I didn't live in.

    PTCcock195

  • Weedline said...

    Maybe. But it's not reasonable to resort to killing someone before they have even acted. If he was waving his gun around threatening to kill TM, then yes, he would have a point. But a neighborhood watch guard with a concealed weapons permit questioning a kid in a public place does not give TM any reason at all to even attack him let alone kill him. I mean, I can't believe this has to be said.

    Once you take into account that the OP is a Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton knob slobber, it all makes sense why it has to be said.

    Will also make sense why it will never sink in so long as the "aggressor" is white and the "victim" is black. Since race is the only think RD actually cares about here. No facts, just race-baiting.

    Nicolae

  • So, in Florida, I can get a concealed weapons permit, call myself a neighborhood watchman, approach a black guy on the street for no reason other than he looks kind of like some black guys who robbed someone else, and provoke a confrontation with him while showing my gun and not identifying myself. Then, if the fight goes south I can just shoot him, and claim I was standing my ground?

    Before all the Zimmerman people say I am ignorant I have read a fair amount about this case. If you feel the need to criticize me, instead point out a flaw in my statement. Because if you think Zimmerman was in the right, then you by definition must think the above statement is justifiable position.

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    joetheogre

  • PTCcock195 said...

    Neither of those statements are true.

    And we've been over this. The only opinion I've given concerning the case is that I wouldn't find fault with neighborhood watch stopping me if I were walking in a neighborhood I didn't live in.

    What about an unknown guy? Police apparently felt martin didn't know who he was, he said thats why he felt manslaughter charges were appropriate.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • Nicolae said...

    Once you take into account that the OP is a Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton knob slobber, it all makes sense why it has to be said.

    Will also make sense why it will never sink in so long as the "aggressor" is white and the "victim" is black. Since race is the only think RD actually cares about here. No facts, just race-baiting.

    There are no facts in your post. Nothing but opinions. Where did I say anything about sharpton or jackson? Where did I say anything about black victims? Where did I even mention race?

    Seems like youre the one with the problem.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • I dont see why people keep saying that martin attacked zimmerman then complain that others are assuming things and falling into the media trap.

    Why keep saying martin attacked anyone when it isn't a fact?

    This post was edited by ReasonableDoubt on 5/21/2012 at 6:01 PM

    ReasonableDoubt

  • AlwaysMore said...

    The problem with this is, Zimmerman does NOT have the right to detain or question people. Without Zimmerman, Martin would still be alive.

    That one fact, that a 17 year old is dead, should trump everything else. I feel bad for George Zimmerman, but if he wasnt such a gung ho ass, with a desire to play Batman, then none of this would have happened.

    Are you just stupid? He does have the right to question him, any citizen has the right to ask any other citizen any question they would like within reason and Trayvon was never detained, so that word doesn't even belong in this thread. Just as Trayvon had the right to turn and walk away, or call the police from his own phone. He didn't do that though, because he thought he was Batman and would just beat this guy down and cruise on with his day like nothing happened and that Neighborhood Watch doesn't have the right to speak to him.

    That one fact should NOT trump everything else, either. I doubt you think that either, I think the actual thought you had was that a BLACK 17 year old is dead and that should trump everything else.

    It is very sad that a 17 year old is dead here, but it was that 17 year old's fault. To amend your statement, "Without MARTIN, Martin would still be here."

    Nicolae

  • joetheogre said...

    So, in Florida, I can get a concealed weapons permit, call myself a neighborhood watchman, approach a black guy on the street for no reason other than he looks kind of like some black guys who robbed someone else, and provoke a confrontation with him while showing my gun and not identifying myself. Then, if the fight goes south I can just shoot him, and claim I was standing my ground?

    Before all the Zimmerman people say I am ignorant I have read a fair amount about this case. If you feel the need to criticize me, instead point out a flaw in my statement. Because if you think Zimmerman was in the right, then you by definition must think the above statement is justifiable position.

    I think you intentionally phrase that comment in an incendiary way that is not conducive to effective, productive discussion. It's not worth answering, that's why nobody has answered your question the multiple times you've asked it.

    You're not interested in anything more than uncompromising arguments, just like ReasonableDoubt.

    PTCcock195

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    There are no facts in your post. Nothing but opinions. Where did I say anything about sharpton or jackson? Where did I say anything about black victims? Where did I even mention race?

    Seems like youre the one with the problem.

    No, no. I know your posts, everyone on this board knows you are just a race-baiter trying to stir stuff up with these threads. You don't have to mention them explicitly, your posts and their tone says it all for you.

    You are a racist.

    Nicolae

  • Nicolae said...

    No, no. I know your posts, everyone on this board knows you are just a race-baiter trying to stir stuff up with these threads. You don't have to mention them explicitly, your posts and their tone says it all for you.

    You are a racist.

    I said nothing about race, it wasnt on my mind. Youre the one talking about jesse, al and calling me racist. To be honest, youre acting more like them than I am.

    I asked a question that had nothing to do with race, why are you calling me racist? If it's a past post please tell me what I said. Otherwise, youre racist by your own definition.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • What if they killed each other. Who would we be outraged at?

    VTSmitty

  • PTCcock195 said...

    I think you intentionally phrase that comment in an incendiary way that is not conducive to effective, productive discussion. It's not worth answering, that's why nobody has answered your question the multiple times you've asked it.

    You're not interested in anything more than uncompromising arguments, just like ReasonableDoubt.

    You haven't said anything worthwhile but complain about everything.

    Post why I'm wrong and discuss, otherwise youre pointless.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • Someone needs to go George Zimmerman on this entire topic.

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    mac1992

  • If Zimmerman had stuck to phone chains and e-mail alerts, like his volunteer job entailed, this wouldn't have happened. Instead, he acted like he was a police officer or security guard.

    Zimmerman was on a dangerous power-trip the night of February 26th, and will continue to be a danger to society into the future. For that reason, I hope they lock him up.

    This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by ScoutExile on 5/21/2012 at 6:25 PM

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  • Just a thought, would some of you feel different if Trayvon had been your son?

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    Dawg E Style161

  • VTSmitty said...

    What if they killed each other. Who would we be outraged at?

    OP would be outraged at whoever was white.

    Nicolae

  • Dawg E. Style said...

    Just a thought, would some of you feel different if Trayvon had been your son?

    Yes. I would be far more sad about the situation. Depressed even. However, I wouldn't have a son that thought he could just start swinging on some random dude because he was asked a question. Situation could have easily been diffused without a confrontation had Trayvon acted appropriately and either walked away or called the police. Instead, he started a fight, thinking he was Bruce Wayne and got what he had coming.

    Nicolae

  • gobigblue21 said...

    LOL at the old reverse racism example.

    If it weren't for Affirmative Action, people like me wouldnt be considered for a lot of jobs. It's a necessary measure and it does hurt you but honestly shut the hell up if you think that you as a white male has it so tough in America.

    Asians has no problems making it in America, so what's your problem?

    Hell, even after 9/11, arabs still prosper in this country.

    Quit making excuses.

    GANoles93