The Blue Board

The Texas schools were never seriously interested, they were just using the PAC, and everyone knew it. We lost out on nothing.

Too many powerful schools in our conference to defer to any one program. Texas would just be one member, equal and not above any other.

Hell is more likely to freeze over, than the schools up north to approve BYU in the PAC.

the PAC really has no one to pick up that would be worth it in their area. Without cherry picking from the Big 12 the PAC has no one to pickup within reason. in 2 to 3 years the ACC will pick the big East bone dry right before the SEC, B1G and Big 12 ;cherry pick the ACC. in 5 years only the 2 if not 3 of the AQ conferences will not exist, atleast not any more relevant than say the CUSA. the Big 12 is going to have to fight to keep their top schools from the PAC and B1G and try to keep Texas from going independent. I think the Big 12 only postponed their downfall

Option 1:

Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Ok State

Option 2:

Hawaii
UNM
Boise State
Nevada

The PAC12 is definitely in a bind there.

They really need to get the Big12 schools to jump, but I'm not sure they can accomplish that. Will be interesting to see what happens. We almost know something has to.

Yeah. Granted I think all these teams need some help, but it would give the PAC 12 4 flagships schools in some growing states. Hawaii would be a big piece and I actually think is the most likely because they could provide a gateway to the Pacific Rim, something I know Larry Scott has eyes on.

I am of the thinking that Hawaii brings nothing. If the PAC12 wants to get involved in the Pacific Rim, it needs to do so the way USC has and set up camps and bring in those for the Olympis sports and allow that to slowly develop interest in other "American" sports like football and basketball. They really have no competition in that area and Hawaii isn't going to all of a sudden spark everyone's interest, IMO.

The big issue is that the main players here, China and Japan (China especially) already make in too lucrative for those athletes and their families to stay home and train. Why would they give up the houses and $$ their families are being given for having a son or daughter in their programs in exchange for that same child just getting an education for free?

Hawaii is still something I could see Larry Scott going for, but you bring up good points

Any talk of the Big 12 dropping Iowa State?

I just find it comical on the opinions expressed.

BYU is too different to join the Pac12, but schools from the Pacific Rim for Olympic Sports - ie China, Japan, Singapore are ok????

BYU is out; but Bejing University, ND, and Utah are ok??? Prejudice is alive & well in the P12.

I'm beginning to think that gtownreb is on to something......

My prediction:
- Short Term - ACC absorbed by B1G, SEC, B12
- Long Term - Attractive B12, Pac12 schools absorbed by B1G & SEC.

The 2 remaining conferences (associations) merge like AFL & NFL.

Come again?

Also, you do understand that Utah isn't a religious school, right?

U of Utah's student population is between 40-60% mormon, despite no official affiliation with LDS -- it's pretty mormon. The school was originally founded by Brigham Young. Most (if not all) of it's presidents have been LDS members.

"The University of Utah Presidents includes all sixteen men who served as president of the University of Utah or its predecessor the University of Deseret, which was founded in 1850[1] just a few years after the Mormon Pioneers arrived in the Salt Lake Valley."

If you want to expand P12's appeal internationally, I can't think of better global marketers than the mormons.

In any case, if the Pac12 would welcome ND, they should be willing to welcome BYU.

I was reacting to 2 comments in previous posts from different people that I thought were nonsense:

Post 1
"As far as religious schools...don't think for a moment that the schools up north would not jump on accepting Notre Dame if there was any way in hell for it to happen. I think the difference is...they would block the ultra conservative religious schools. Moron, Southern Baptist..etc."

Post 2
"The mentality there is different....they don't think the same as you or I." (In reference to Mormons)

My point was that this basic mindset, apparently aligned with Pac12 Presidents, is nonsense. If the P12 is to grow & thrive, they will need to bend in their collective mindset.

Pointing out Utah as mostly Mormon (which it is) was to illustrate the point that they've already gone there to an extent with the Utes.

Finally, the question isn't who you'd invite based on market appeal ND or BYU.......BYU is clearly better than the other schools on the list.

Summary:

If no religious-based schools in the P12 is the "rule," why is ND ok? And if ND is ok from a religious standpoint, why isn't BYU?

If posed with a choice between ND and BYU, the obvious choice is ND due to market appeal. BUT, BYU is MUCH Better than the other options: New Mexico, UTEP, Fresno St, Houston, Rice, Air Force, etc.

Edit - I was not aware of the BYU Sunday scheduling problem. In that case, I'd say that BYU probably needs to bend if they want in.

IMO, the B12 will be much harder to raid now than a few years ago. Mostly because of the a) Grant of Rights agreement they've instituted, and b) likelihood that they solidify their eastern presence.

Assuming the GOR holds, any B12 school that leaves would not own their TV rights for 13 years after leaving. So that school, hypothetically in the PAC, would pay 100% of their TV revenue to the B12 conference.

That reality, combined with the bowl tie-ins with the SEC, makes me believe that they're not leaving the B12. This is much different than the ACC exit fee, which is FIXED & can be paid with revenue from the new conference's TV deal.

The GOR is the primary reason I believe that PAC's targets will be more like Boise, Fresno, New Mexico, etc than Texas, Oklahoma, etc.