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If You Are The PAC 12

  • Posas14 said...

    IMO, the B12 will be much harder to raid now than a few years ago. Mostly because of the a) Grant of Rights agreement they've instituted, and b) likelihood that they solidify their eastern presence.

    Assuming the GOR holds, any B12 school that leaves would not own their TV rights for 13 years after leaving. So that school, hypothetically in the PAC, would pay 100% of their TV revenue to the B12 conference.

    That reality, combined with the bowl tie-ins with the SEC, makes me believe that they're not leaving the B12. This is much different than the ACC exit fee, which is FIXED & can be paid with revenue from the new conference's TV deal. In the B12 GOR, any revenue from TV of a school that leaves would be payable to the B12 conference.

    The GOR is the primary reason I believe that PAC's targets will be more like Boise, Fresno, New Mexico, etc than Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

    This is all true. Good points.

    I still would think that secretly (if not publicly) the PAC12 will make a major push for Texas, OU, and OSU though. They kind of have to at this point based on what their other options are. I think they have a less than 50% shot at it working of course, but they have to try, IMO.

    Of course, things can change in a heartbeat with the instability that the Big12 has had recently. It looks much more likely that they are going to stick together now than it did last year or the year before, but who would have thought they would have ever let Nebraska get out? Personally, I think it will still shape up on being a bad move by both parties down the road somehow.

    BetterOff ●

  • BetterOff said...

    This is all true. Good points.

    I still would think that secretly (if not publicly) the PAC12 will make a major push for Texas, OU, and OSU though. They kind of have to at this point based on what their other options are. I think they have a less than 50% shot at it working of course, but they have to try, IMO.

    Of course, things can change in a heartbeat with the instability that the Big12 has had recently. It looks much more likely that they are going to stick together now than it did last year or the year before, but who would have thought they would have ever let Nebraska get out? Personally, I think it will still shape up on being a bad move by both parties down the road somehow.

    Ultimately, I think we need to think about where we'll be in 20 years. If we can agree on that, then it's just the path that needs to be filled in. Forget about what the conferences are called or what they have been, and consider what they can be..

    I believe that this is the direction that football schools want (TX, OU, USC, Oregon, FSU, etc) - as do Mike Slive and Jim Delaney. I also believe that this is what the NCAA (Emmert & Ray), and Tobacco Road (UNC, etc) are fighting against.

    Endpoint -
    Big time football schools will dis-associate from NCAA. These schools will compensate scholarship athletes across all sports (Title IX) beyond what they compensated today. This will be somewhere between 60 & 80 schools. TV/media will fund this new model.

    The path -
    Will consist of consolidation of the current big 5 conferences, with short, medium, and long term steps to get there. A number of the steps have already begun, though it seems that the PAC has gotten cold feet in the past year.

    Short term (3-7 years)
    The conference currently known as the ACC will merge with the other conferences. Together with other conferences, will create regional divisions within. These divisions will hold some traditional ACC rivals, but also create some new match-ups. (ie B12 East, B10 East). SEC will grab a NC and VA school.

    The ties between B12 and SEC will strengthen, as will B1G and PAC. Culturally and academically these are the obvious best fits.

    The preliminary steps in this direction is the annual B12/SEC game in New Orleans, and the B1G / PAC regular season match-ups. The B1G/PAC games have been cancelled for now (see cold feet comment), but the long term IMO is still in this direction. No need to look past AAU membership or the comments above on cultural/religious divide to grasp this.

    Medium Term (8-12 years)
    The ties between conferences become even closer, ultimately merging into 2 associations ( B1G PAC & SEC B12). Due to scheduling, there is little if any OOC play beyond the partnerships mentioned above. A bit like MLB before interleague play - but not completely. If you really think about it, there is little regular season play between SEC, B10, P12, B12 even now.

    This will feed a playoff system similar to the NFL. The negotiation of the TV rights to the playoffs will lead (has already) to the 2 conferences to work together. This partnership will ultimately lead to a complete merger...which is the 'long term' state.

    This is where you may see some swapping. Will Texas, Mizzou, Florida, ND, BYU, Kansas, USC want to be in the B1G PAC or the SEC B12?

    Long Term (12+ years)
    The remaining super conferences merge into one regulatory body. Delivery of content will be split among ABC/ESPN, Fox, and CBS -- possibly Comcast / NBC (If all of these companies exist in 12 + years).

    This post was edited by Posas14 on 12/24/2012 at 2:40 PM

    Posas14 ●

  • Posas14 said...

    Ultimately, I think we need to think about where we'll be in 20 years. If we can agree on that, then it's just the path that needs to be filled in. Forget about what the conferences are called or what they have been, and consider what they can be..

    I believe that this is the direction that football schools want (TX, OU, USC, Oregon, FSU, etc) - as do Mike Slive and Jim Delaney. I also believe that this is what the NCAA (Emmert & Ray), and Tobacco Road (UNC, etc) are fighting against.

    Endpoint -
    Big time football schools will dis-associate from NCAA. These schools will compensate scholarship athletes across all sports (Title IX) beyond what they compensated today. This will be somewhere between 60 & 80 schools. TV/media will fund this new model.

    The path -
    Will consist of consolidation of the current big 5 conferences, with short, medium, and long term steps to get there. A number of the steps have already begun, though it seems that the PAC has gotten cold feet in the past year.

    Short term (3-7 years)
    The conference currently known as the ACC will merge with the other conferences. Together with other conferences, will create regional divisions within. These divisions will hold some traditional ACC rivals, but also create some new match-ups. (ie B12 East, B10 East). SEC will grab a NC and VA school.

    The ties between B12 and SEC will strengthen, as will B1G and PAC. Culturally and academically these are the obvious best fits.

    The preliminary steps in this direction is the annual B12/SEC game in New Orleans, and the B1G / PAC regular season match-ups. The B1G/PAC games have been cancelled for now (see cold feet comment), but the long term IMO is still in this direction. No need to look past AAU membership or the comments above on cultural/religious divide to grasp this.

    Medium Term (8-12 years)
    The ties between conferences become even closer, ultimately merging into 2 associations ( B1G PAC & SEC B12). Due to scheduling, there is little if any OOC play beyond the partnerships mentioned above. A bit like MLB before interleague play - but not completely. If you really think about it, there is little regular season play between SEC, B10, P12, B12 even now.

    This will feed a playoff system similar to the NFL. The negotiation of the TV rights to the playoffs will lead (has already) to the 2 conferences to work together. This partnership will ultimately lead to a complete merger...which is the 'long term' state.

    This is where you may see some swapping. Will Texas, Mizzou, Florida, ND, BYU, Kansas, USC want to be in the B1G PAC or the SEC B12?

    Long Term (12+ years)
    The remaining super conferences merge into one regulatory body. Delivery of content will be split among ABC/ESPN, Fox, and CBS -- possibly Comcast / NBC (If all of these companies exist in 12 + years).

    I think your long term end is probably where we get one day unless something drastic happens. Your ways may differ, but where we get is probably about what you said.

    Intelligent people knew the BCS would lead to a playoff and now a 4 game playoff will lead to expanded playoffs. Eventually schools will want to make things uniform and easy which being a part of the NCAA will not allow.

    BetterOff ●

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