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Finally some sense in this thread.

You gumps realize coverage skills is not the only thing on defense.

Without Tyrann, LSU would have been in trouble in a couple of games this season.

Mother of God. Obviously I can't. Why don't you enlighten me on the universal responsibilities of every CB in every defense.

2 yrs ago Barron was one of the national leaders in interceptions but he wasn't in the top 5 best D players on our team that yr (09). Last year Robert Lester was one of colleges leaders in interceptions and wasn't in the top 5 players on our D. This year Tyrann was one of the league leaders in forced fumbles but LSU has 1-3 better D guys on their team.

That's all I'm saying. The award goes to the best D player in the nation and he is not it. No doubt the Badger is a stud and an elite player. I'd like anyone in this argument to state that Tyrann is a better defensive player than Claiborne. Seriously. Anyone?

Badger has a nickname the other players don't. That is the difference. ESPN hyped that kid way too high. He's a nickleback if anything, gets free reign on blitz packages, he's not the best defensive player. Goes for the strip way to often sometimes giving up more yardage. He's a really good player but hyped way above what he is. He's Javier Arenas without as good a return game.

Dunno, show me some stats comparing return averages.

And I like how you ignore the rest of his statement, which makes a lot of sense. He's a great player, strips a lot of balls, but his coverage skills aren't as good as they could be.

Arenas 2009

· Tackles 71 (47 Solo, 24 Assist)
· 12 Tackles for loss
· 5 Sacks
· 5 Interceptions
· 10 Pass Break Ups
· 32 Punt Returns for 493 and a TD (TD represented NCAA record)
· 19 Kick Returns for 551 yards

Badger

· Tackles 70 (53 Solo, 17 Assist)
· 6.5 Tackles for loss
· 1.5 Sacks
· 2 Interceptions
· 9 Pass Break Ups
· 6 Forced fumbles, 2 returned for TDs
· 24 Punt Returns for 428 and 2 TDs
· 2 Kick Returns for 0 yards

Badger does make a lot of FF but Javy had more INT and TFL. they both were utilized as blitzing corners when most effective. Javy is one of the top return men in the NFL right now and holds the NCAA return TD record or tied and finished like 9 yards away from the yardage record.

Yup, I didn't think so... I will take the silence to mean that most think that Claiborne is a better defensive player than Tyrann and, therefore, well... you know...

Tyrann Mathieu's 2-yr career numbers:

2 defensive TDs
2 return TDs
11 FFs
8 FRs
4 INTs
6 sacks

This one is not a very close comparison, tbh.

I love Tyrann, but he wasn't Top 5 best players in the SEC.

I'm a homer, but I think Antonio Allen & Melvin Ingram were on par (if not better) than him.

A lot of our fanbase (myself included) think AA was the MVP of our defense this year.

He played the Spur and was completely irreplaceable.

He played a completely different position and didn't return kicks, but he was amazing this year.

So how many TDs did Mathieu give up? Sometimes WRs just make great plays. You guys are so jelly that he is a better playmaker than any DB Saban has ever signed.

Give it a rest.

For the record, SR Javy Arenas gave up a long TD to Jordan Shippley from Garrett fvcking Gilbert in the BCSCG.

It doesn't matter what year Arenas was. The point is: No one though of Arenas as a Heisman candidate his senior year. Matheiu isn't a heisman candidate he shouldn't have been up there, the reason he was is because he got a nickname. And you left out TFL.