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BetterOff said...
Didn't say that it would bring down them all, but if we were to be fair and make every scholarship offered by a University (sports, academic, and organizational) a 4-year scholarship a lot of the schools would either have to make a decision to give out a lot less scholarships campus wide or yes, they would begin to run into debts. This is something that extremely worries people at many FCS programs, some lower tier FCS programs and yes, even Boise St.
What you are wanting to do is tell the actual student and other athletes that the football player is more important than them.
By the way, I noticed that the girls soccer programs in the b1g just gave out 1 year scholarships. Why is that?
By the way, the argument I made for oversigning had nothing to do with this. I was just making the point that truth is money and results driven and no one in the b1g offices actually really care about the kids.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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wwldd said...
I admit, I don't know a lot of information about over-signing outside of the SEC. I do think it is a major competitive advantage and I think it should be seen as a major problem. I would love to know if these issues happen at the school I cheer for. I am a Wisconsin fan. Anyone know if I'm a hypocrite? Or am I safe on the soapbox?
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wwldd said...
I admit, I don't know a lot of information about over-signing outside of the SEC. I do think it is a major competitive advantage and I think it should be seen as a major problem. I would love to know if these issues happen at the school I cheer for. I am a Wisconsin fan. Anyone know if I'm a hypocrite? Or am I safe on the soapbox?
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Under Review said...
The "performance" clause is unclear. What if a coach just whiffs on a recruit and even though the kid's working his butt off he is a 3rd stringer. Should the coach suffer for his poor selection or should the player suffer because he wasn't as good as others thought. That's the dirty little secret of oversigning the coach gets a do-over if he effs up.
I have no problem with pulling scholarships from lazy and unmotivated athletes. A scholarship is a contract between student and school. Both should live up to their ends of the contract.
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wwldd said...
Under performing kids should be kept on scholarship. Lazy is tough to justify. If a kid attends all mandatory events and goes through the motions how do you decide you can just cut them? Why hasn't the coach motivated them?
In some cases it seems that you don't have to motivate them. Just remove them from the program and recruit another player. Why motivate a kid, as talented as he may be, when you can easily take a chance on another talented, and potentially unmotivated, prospect. The next one could be a keeper. And the only one to suffer, in the coaches perspective, is the player who didn't try hard enough. - Its his fault he didn't take advantage of an opportunity, right?
Except nobody knows whether kids who suddenly disappear from SEC, and other, depth charts didn't try or simply weren't good enough for the coach at the time.
Meanwhile other schools cant take these chances and "have" to live with their mistakes. One of my favorite Bret Bielema quotes is "you recruit your own problems". To me at least, that only applies outside of those who over-sign.
In the long run this is why I don't give two sh*ts whether or not Wisconsin wins a national championship. Its also why every time the crowd chants "SEC, SEC, SEC" at the end of the national championship game all I hear is "WE CHEAT BEST, WE CHEAT BEST".
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The "performance" clause is unclear. What if a coach just whiffs on a recruit and even though the kid's working his butt off he is a 3rd stringer. Should the coach suffer for his poor selection or should the player suffer because he wasn't as good as others thought. That's the dirty little secret of oversigning the coach gets a do-over if he effs up.
I have no problem with pulling scholarships from lazy and unmotivated athletes. A scholarship is a contract between student and school. Both should live up to their ends of the contract.
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SpartanRocky said...
Could you explain the math here?
If you give out 85 scholarships a year, then the cost to the university is 85 schollies/year. Whether the individual who had 1 of the 85 scholarships in 2012 is the same one who has 1 of them in '13 is immaterial; you can't give out more than 85 scholarships in a year.
The difference between a 4 year schollie and a 1 year schollie is who's getting the scholarship. The 4 year scholarship guarantees that player X will have that scholarship for 4 years. A 1 year renewable scholarship means that player X could have that scholarship in '12, be told that he's under-performing, and have that scholarship go to player Y, a new recruit in '13.
In a 4 year scholarship plan, player Y can't come into the picture till player X's 4 years are up.
There should be 0 change to the universities; this really benefits the student-athletes.
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Nightrider said...
One year..... in this world you have to earn your way at all times. There's always someone trying to take your spot. That's called a free market. Whay should we handcuff coaches? They are the ones who get fired if they don't succeed and win games.
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3rdWorldPlanet said...
at this point, i don't think a lot of details have been released. I would like to see performance based incentives, as well... i would like to see kids getting incentives for GPA and other things, but with no retard classes.
i think it is a shame that college athletics has become this business... if it is a business, then it should be ran like one and the market should be deregulated. players should be paid, and go to the highest bidder... salary caps, free agency, all of it.
if colleges are using the education argument as their reasoning, then there should be some good educating going on.
This post was edited by DavidPhares on 2/2/2012 at 7:44 PM
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DavidPhares said...
You must be an Indian. What Cherokkee, Navaho, Sioux, Creek??
I dont blame the Red Man for wanting to kill Whitey. If those Mayans knew gun powder existed, they could have alerted thier northern brethren that Whitey was on the way.
I guess itsI alright if you burn up a few of those crackers. But i would strongly reccomend you stop before deciding to drop a 9 on me. Hey, and , next time, don't cry up on your horse when some Casper tosses a cigarette out his sports car.
Peace
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DavidPhares said...
I'm sorry my newly found Red man Hombre, Please make no mistake with my inference. I was giving you my blessing to wax a few crackers. I was not threatening your existence in this Red land. I merely suggested you stop before popping my ass.
Afterall, it is my right to give you my blessing, You see, I am a Bama fan, and everybody knows Bama fans rulle the world.
Peace be upon you, Red Man
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