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Illinois sent 6 coaches to PSU parking lot to recruit players

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    My guess (hopefully) they are just posturing to make them look better within the PSU family but looking like clueless, out of touch fools to the rest of the nation which obviously they do not care about.

    Regardless of what they do, they aren't fooling anyone in the PSU community. They are clueless and out of touch.

    getmyjive11

  • kitemac said...

    Not nice fans but crazy ones...

    Probably was forced to by the other school but still not a great move.

    Pretty crappy did he also text them telling them not to attend class because he couldn't get them to follow if they did?

    BTW OP called the Illinois coaches pathetic for doing some shady things to another school. Lane absolutely did some shady things to Tennessee. Just pointing it out. Are you going to answer my question now or just ask me more questions?

    BTW OP called Illinois coaches pathetic...you brought Lane into the conversation....I was just pointing out that there are other coaches out there that have done shady things, but yet you focus on Lane? Why?

    What did Lane do that was shady?...and don't give me the tired regurgitated answers...we know he left before NSD...for his Dream Job (how could he have possibly known that it was going to be offered to him that soon)...yes he talked to the players about what was going on and what their options were and I will bet you that players and parents called him. Yes we know he had some secondary violations while at Tennessee (the NCAA didn't feel they were that bad)...do me a favor and check out Ohio States reported secondary violations in that same time frame and you will be amazed how many they reported - 46!

    BTW - What do you think about a player whose dad shops him around to the highest bidder?

    Fight On!

    Helen of Troy

  • getmyjive11 said...

    They are all incompetent. And our new president was not hired. He was appointed that position by the BOT. He was a part of the BOT. He very much is an interim president.

    So one of the members of your BOT is your interim president . . . .and now your BOT are saying he couldn't do what he did . . .

    It may not fit the NCAA definition, but that's the lay definition of lack of institutional control right there.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Ok . . . but who's to say that after conducting its own investigation, the NCAA doesn't come at them even harder? Remember, they hit USC with a 2 year bowl ban in part because of how arrogant their AD was acting, making it a point to say that the sanctions were tough BECAUSE of their attitude.

    What do you think will happen to PSU if the NCAA DOES follow its own procedures? Pretty sure the presidents gave Emmert the ability to issue these sanctions, and they'll likely give the infractions committee the same powers, if not more. No one likes being made a fool of, and if you really want to ensure harsher sanctions, by all means, fight it PSU.

    Who knows? It's not supposed to work that way, but I'm not naive enough to think it won't. You shouldn't have to give up your procedural rights to get a fair punishment. The NCAA should not punish schools simply for expecting a NOI and a hearing. But I wouldn't put anything past Emmert.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/25/2012 at 3:19 PM

    MrWoodson

  • kitemac said...

    Most HCs don't try and convince players that are currently living on campus to goto another school just days later. They don't try and convince EEs to not goto class for the first few days so they can follow them across the country. You still didn't answer my question though.

    What is your obsession with Kiffin?

    Fight On!

    Helen of Troy

  • SpartanRocky said...

    So one of the members of your BOT is your interim president . . . .and now your BOT are saying he couldn't do what he did . . .

    It may not fit the NCAA definition, but that's the lay definition of lack of institutional control right there.

    It has nothing to do with LOIC. And I highly doubt Erickson lied to or misled the NCAA. Why would he? What would he have to gain?

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Who knows? It's not supposed to work that way, but I'm not naive enough to think it won't. You shouldn't have to give up your procedural rights to get a fair punishment. The NCAA should not punish schools simply for expecting a NOI and a hearing. But I wouldn't put anything past Emmert.

    Except signing a consent decree IS a waiver of rights. Again, this was essentially a plea bargain. PSU had little or no ground to stand on.

    The Freeh report was commissioned by the Board. Think about that. It should be as biased in FAVOR of PSU and it came back scathing. What, pray tell, could the NCAA uncover that weighs in mitigation? Seriously, what are the options here?

    PSU looks like an absolute circus; fires a president, new president comes out, a former Trustee no less, signs off on sanctions that he may or may not have had authority to sign off on?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    So one of the members of your BOT is your interim president . . . .and now your BOT are saying he couldn't do what he did . . .

    It may not fit the NCAA definition, but that's the lay definition of lack of institutional control right there.

    I'm sorry, I wrote that wrong. Erickson was the provost, so he was part of the previous administration. I do not think he was a BOT member.

    getmyjive11

  • MrWoodson said...

    It has nothing to do with LOIC. And I highly doubt Erickson lied to or misled the NCAA. Why would he? What would he have to gain?

    No, it has nothing to do with the NCAA's definition of LOIC, which I said. However, when I think of the term "lack of institutional control" in a lay sense, it seems that their institution lacks control.

    Just saying PSU's administration looks like a 3-ring circus right now.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Except signing a consent decree IS a waiver of rights. Again, this was essentially a plea bargain. PSU had little or no ground to stand on.

    The Freeh report was commissioned by the Board. Think about that. It should be as biased in FAVOR of PSU and it came back scathing. What, pray tell, could the NCAA uncover that weighs in mitigation? Seriously, what are the options here?

    PSU looks like an absolute circus; fires a president, new president comes out, a former Trustee no less, signs off on sanctions that he may or may not have had authority to sign off on?

    It is a circus.

    The way shav has put it, if the NCAA was led to believe that Erickson's signature was binding, PSU may not be able to change anything here.

    I'm thinking that may be what will eventually happen. The BOT won't be able to do anything about this.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    I'm sorry, I wrote that wrong. Erickson was the provost, so he was part of the previous administration. I do not think he was a BOT member.

    Gotcha. I was going to say. BoT elects one of their own, who then goes rogue . . . yeesh.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Gotcha. I was going to say. BoT elects one of their own, who then goes rogue . . . yeesh.

    Yeah, I meant to say administration, but wrote BOT. headslap

    getmyjive11

  • Helen of Troy said...

    What is your obsession with Kiffin?

    I don't have an obsession with him. I just found it interesting a USC fan was calling out someone else's coaches for being shady. I actually think Kiffin is a heck of a coach and one of the best recruiters in the nation. I don't think there are too many people that could do what he is doing under the probation you guys are under.

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  • devidee said...

    Please, please, please let this happen.

    Jerry Jerry Jerry!

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  • I think PSU will be making a mistake if they do this, ncaa will destroy them

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  • kitemac said...

    I don't have an obsession with him. I just found it interesting a USC fan was calling out someone else's coaches for being shady. I actually think Kiffin is a heck of a coach and one of the best recruiters in the nation. I don't think there are too many people that could do what he is doing under the probation you guys are under.

    I didn't realize that this thread was started by a Trojan fan fingergun...lol...sorry...I get a little mama bear -ish when people pick on my Kiffin (either one...love them both)...

    Fight On!

    Fight On!

    Helen of Troy

  • kitemac said...

    I don't disagree with him going to USC at all. It clearly was a job he would have rather had. I don't blame him for that at all. The telling kids that are already on UTs campus a couple days before school starts to not go to class and follow him to USC which would make UTs class even worse than it already was going to be since Kiffin left. When our coordinators leave usually they don't try and recruit the players they just recruited for us.

    That's total hearsay and pretty orange tinged hearsay at that.

    Has any player ever come forth publicly and claimed Kiffin recruited him to leave UT and follow him to USC as he was leaving?

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    No, it has nothing to do with the NCAA's definition of LOIC, which I said. However, when I think of the term "lack of institutional control" in a lay sense, it seems that their institution lacks control.

    Just saying PSU's administration looks like a 3-ring circus right now.

    With all due respect, you are operating without all the facts. Just because you don't understand what is going on doesn't make the process flawed or wrong or out of control. Erickson and Emmert almost certainly knew and discussed the fact that the BOT needed to approve any consent decree. Likewise, this is almost certainly the exact process both expected approval of the consent decree to take. And like it or not, every member of the BOT gets a vote and it's very common for them to have their own opinions. That is their job as BOT members. They are not supposed to just rubber stamp whatever the president tells them to. Erickson knows this and Emmert knows this. Anyone who thinks the NCAA consent decree did not require review and approval by the BOT somewhere along the line simply misunderstands basic principles of corporate governance.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/25/2012 at 3:44 PM

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    There is nothing wrong with the NCAA using the Freeh Report. But it is just a report. PSU should have been served by the NCAA with a NOI and had a chance to respond. The Freeh Report is not some legally binding document based on rules of evidence and due process. It's one man's opinions and he didn't even have an opportunity to interview many of the parties because of the pending criminal cases. The NCAA should use all the evidence at its disposal, but that doesn't mean it should disregard proper rules and procedures.

    Hahahaha - this from the guy who is using a newspaper article as his sole proof that ND covered up rape that no one was ever charged for.

    So the Freeh investigation with millions and millions of documents and 100's of interviews is "just a report" but a Washington Post article on ND is totally factual and should have been used to shut down ND's program..

    STFU ...You're a b!tch

    Actually - you're my b!tch

    This post was edited by Leppycole on 7/25/2012 at 4:11 PM

    Leppycole

  • kitemac said...

    I don't have an obsession with him. I just found it interesting a USC fan was calling out someone else's coaches for being shady. I actually think Kiffin is a heck of a coach and one of the best recruiters in the nation. I don't think there are too many people that could do what he is doing under the probation you guys are under.

    No hearts in the NWO

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  • Leppycole said...

    Hahahaha - this from the guy who is using a newspaper article as his sole proof that ND covered up rape that no one was ever charged for.

    So the Freeh investigation with millions and millions of documents and 100's of interviews is "just a report" but a Washington Post article on ND is totally factual and should have been used to shut down ND's program..

    STFU ...You're a b!tch

    You keep linking to something called the American Free Press, a blog no one has ever heard of and which appears to be run out of some guy's basement. You should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to make excuses for and helping cover up the rapefest that has been ND football the past 40 years.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 7/25/2012 at 4:27 PM

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    You keep linking to something called the American Free Press, a blog no one has ever heard of and which appears to be run out of some guy's basement. You should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to make excuses for and helping cover up the rapefest that has been ND football the past 40 years.

    Now we are getting out of line. Rapefest? Get a clue. Or a life. 40 yrs of raping? You my friend are what people might refer to an a$$ hat. You should be ashamed of yourself. You just make yourself look bad, and everyone else here is now more dumber (get it?) after reading your comment.

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    Pretty pathetic for Illinois to send coaches to PSU's campus to openly recruit players.

    I'm sure Lane Kiffin was there, he's the scum of the scum.

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    USMCAG

  • USMCAG said...

    I'm sure Lane Kiffin was there, he's the scum of the scum.

    No, Lane had the decency to call and inform Penn State he was recruiting Silas...the others just showed up on campus....

    Where was your outrage when coaches were doing this to us for two years?

    Edit: how funny, your team hasn't even played in an SEC game yet and you already drank the koolaid..sec..sec...sec...

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Helen of Troy on 7/25/2012 at 5:19 PM

    Fight On!

    Helen of Troy

  • D-Mo said...

    Now we are getting out of line. Rapefest? Get a clue. Or a life. 40 yrs of raping? You my friend are what people might refer to an a$$ hat. You should be ashamed of yourself. You just make yourself look bad, and everyone else here is now more dumber (get it?) after reading your comment.

    Because the ND poster I was responding to was so well spoken and reasonable in his comment to me. Go away.

    MrWoodson

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