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I'm very pleased about this hospital not hiring obese people....

  • Hawkifish said...

    A question to the people in favor of this:

    Say you're diagnosed with a life threatening disease that requires you to go to a hospital. Would you rather your doctor be of mediocre medical knowledge but in good shape or have a vast expanse of medical knowledge and be obese? Seems like a no brainer to me.

    To automatically remove a person from the discussion in terms of hiring is ridiculously stupid. Obesity does not affect your job performance. Who cares about the "message" they send as long as they're saving more lives than their physically fit counterparts?

    All things being equal, I could see preferring the physically fit employee over the obese one but we all know things are never equal like that.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Still waiting... whistling

    It's a loaded question. Obesity does affect your job performance. Maybe not for a surgeon, specifically while they are in surgery, but if affects many other aspects. I work with a team of nurses who quit(or were asked to quit) working in the hospital because physically they could not keep up; their weight absolutely affected their job performance. There are numerous studies out there about how weight status affects productivity, amount of days missed for illness, etc. I have no problem with a PRIVATE organization making this type of stipulation on who they will hire.

    stoptothink

  • Just a guess, but if we are talking about this here, this news is spreading to different corners of the media right now as well.

    Within 6 weeks, this hospital will have stopped this practice.

    BetterOff

  • After 7 pages I've decided you could substitute negro for fatty and "know their place" for lose weight and you have a great case for the fact that people never change, just their biases.

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    Looks like another perfect day.

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  • Under Review said...

    After 7 pages I've decided you could substitute negro for fatty and "know their place" for lose weight and you have a great case for the fact that people never change, just their biases.

    Agree

    BetterOff

  • Lol at how much liberty people have taken in this thread trying to extrapolate it out to other issues.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Lol at how much liberty people have taken in this thread trying to extrapolate it out to other issues.

    Or is it that many who post here have now come out as elitists who have shown intolerance to people who don't fit your idea of normal or attractive. Start a thread like this and you are going to get posters who see the bigger picture of the issue.

    This thread is a great litmus test for those who posted in it.

    Before any of you grade schoolers start with the "he's a fatty" posts I'm 6' 2" 225 lbs. Not svelte but not a fatty either.

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  • I am not obese but I am over weight. I had started P-90X like 6 times and get to like what I am seeing in the mirror then stop because I am satisfied then BOOM. I am fat again. It is totally 100% on me and I should know better. Now that I am 41 I have started P-90 again and will stick with it this time. I have to. Getting old sucks if you are over weight and I am tired of it. even when I was in great shape, US Army out if HS, the BMI said I was over weight because I am 5'6" and weight 200lbs but I could run 2 miles in less than 13 minutes and do over 50 push ups and sit ups in less than 2 minutes. Oh, the good old days. Ok. I will step down from the soap box now. Happy Easter everyone.

    This post was edited by jimtom27486 on 4/8/2012 at 1:48 PM

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  • This is a pretty curious thread. I must say I'm 6-1 and hover between 260-265. I'm in pretty good shape considering my size but I don't exercise traditionally. I work outisde doing landscaping and I work about 50 hours a week doing pretty intense labor. I simply have a hard time with the predisposition that I am a lazy person by somebody looking at me. On the other hand, I can't help but thing the same thing when I see someone who is 430 lbs who has no job and sits on their ass. I guess I am technicaly obese by medical terms, but I'm probably in better shape that quite a few people who are chiming in here and I'm certainly not lazy. I'm not sure if I am exception here or what. I suppose I should also note when I was younger, I was "normal" size but had sever allergies and had to undergo steriod treatment for a few months and it completely wrecked my metabolism to the point where my weight fluctuates a few pounds every few hours.

    In all, I guess my question is, where do you draw the line?

    dubnole

  • Somebody needs to take a stand against fat people. Hope others follow suit.

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  • dubnole said...

    In all, I guess my question is, where do you draw the line?

    There is the issue. I think using a BMI of 35 as the threshold(as this particular hospital is) is far too low and also too subjective. A BMI of 35 would represent more than 20% of the adult population in the United States.

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    There is the issue. I think using a BMI of 35 as the threshold(as this particular hospital is) is far too low and also too subjective. A BMI of 35 would represent more than 20% of the adult population in the United States.

    I wonder if other than very physically fit and toned, this hospital also has a certain breast size in women that it prefers?

    Very large breasts are a hindrance to everyone but men and can really cause back issues and a drain on hospitals and insurance companies for these slothful women who simply refuse, out of ignorance and willful disregard for their health, to have breast reduction surgery.

    Just for the women, mind you, I could see this particular hospital having a policy in place for women that they must be able to have a dime bounce at least once upon hitting their belly when dropped no more than 2 feet onto their belly, perhaps breasts no larger than a large C cup, and fairly wide hips.

    Narrow hips can lead to an easily cracked pelvis bone when they are running around the hospital and stuff and knocking into door frames, etc...

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CtrlAltDel on 4/8/2012 at 3:50 PM

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  • CtrlAltDel said...

    I wonder if other than very physically fit and toned, this hospital also has a certain breast size in women that it prefers?

    Very large breasts are a hindrance to everyone but men and can really cause back issues and a drain on hospitals and insurance companies for these slothful women who simply refuse, out of ignorance and willful disregard for their health, to have breast reduction surgery.

    Just for the women, mind you, I could see this particular hospital having a policy in place for women that they must be able to have a dime bounce at least once upon hitting their belly when dropped no more than 2 feet onto their belly, perhaps breasts no larger than a large C cup, and fairly wide hips.

    Narrow hips can lead to an easily cracked pelvis bone when they are running around the hospital and stuff and knocking into door frames, etc...

    What is your issue with a PRIVATE organization, whose sole purpose is to maintain the health of the community around it, setting a health standard for its employees? From the business end, they will not hire somebody who's lifestyle is antithetical to their overall mission and who may have restrictions on the job solely because of it. It may not be PC to say, but obese employees are more expensive http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-04-23-overweight-worker-study_N.htm. You can always take your healthcare needs elsewhere.

    How that relates to people who are "ugly," well endowed, blonde, short, etc. characteristics which do not cause similar work restrictions or risks to the employer, only you can answer that one.

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    What is your issue with a PRIVATE organization, whose sole purpose is to maintain the health of the community around it, setting a health standard for its employees? From the business end, they will not hire somebody who's lifestyle is antithetical to their overall mission and who may have restrictions on the job solely because of it. It may not be PC to say, but obese employees are more expensive http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-04-23-overweight-worker-study_N.htm. You can always take your healthcare needs elsewhere.

    How that relates to people who are "ugly," well endowed, blonde, short, etc. characteristics which do not cause similar work restrictions or risks to the employer, only you can answer that one.

    I don't have an issue with what any private company wishes to do. But, they definitely should consider not hiring women with D cup breasts or larger becaus of the enormous costs to insurance companies for horrible back issues and because large breasts could prevent them from doing their job in an efficient manner.

    Women with large breasts are often tired and weak and hurting. Well, this hospital certainly would not want that either. Perhaps they could simply put a question in the applications for jobs forms about breast size and a disclaimer that if you wear D sized cupped bras or larger, you know, apply elsewhere. Either that or force them to have a very routine and inexpensive breast reduction surgery that they could even insure themselves and help out the prospect employee witht he costs.

    What they are shooting for is a uniform and efficient working staff who all resemble each other physically and do not deviate from what they consider to be the proper ideal for other humans.

    This post was edited by CtrlAltDel on 4/8/2012 at 5:04 PM

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  • You do realize that your weak arguments all focus on a trait that a person cannot control, right?

    Asking someone to take care of themselves is not a big stretch. Are you against jobs being able to dictate facial hair also?

    To take the argument as far as you have, and compare taking care of one's personal health to demanding plastic surgery, is moronic.

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    You do realize that your weak arguments all focus on a trait that a person cannot control, right?

    Asking someone to take care of themselves is not a big stretch. Are you against jobs being able to dictate facial hair also?

    To take the argument as far as you have, and compare taking care of one's personal health to demanding plastic surgery, is moronic.

    Just a troll. No need to even attempt to argue or reason. Hopefully on of the mods see this and give that person a warning or something.

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    You do realize that your weak arguments all focus on a trait that a person cannot control, right?

    Asking someone to take care of themselves is not a big stretch. Are you against jobs being able to dictate facial hair also?

    To take the argument as far as you have, and compare taking care of one's personal health to demanding plastic surgery, is moronic.

    Oh really, a simple breast reduction surgery is out of line and outrageous to require of a prospective employee? I don't want very large breasted women working for me because they can't lift things, for one. They are also very often in immense pain and this leads to abuse of pain medication that develops quite frequently into serious addiction, etc...

    Then, guess what? Guess who has to pay the insurance bills to get them off of pills and give them treatment, etc...? I do. Or, I just have to fire them and start all over and that costs a lot of money and investment also.

    They are, overall, a drain on a company. Some tests need to be done to test their efficiency level in the same manner that tests have been done on fatties to determine if they are valid human beings who can be associated with other more normal human beings in a work environment.

    I would bet good money that the very large brested women would be more of a hindrance than the fatties, financially. So, why not simply require them to have a reduction surgery in the same manner that fatties are told not to eat but a certain amount of food or they will be homeless and without a job.

    Not much difference.

    This post was edited by CtrlAltDel on 4/8/2012 at 5:48 PM

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Just a troll. No need to even attempt to argue or reason. Hopefully on of the mods see this and give that person a warning or something.

    That's right. Disparage other viewpoints that you don't agree with or make you angry and ridicule the person you are zeroing in on and ostracize them, much like your type like to do to fatties.

    If you can't agrue your stance successfully or you feel the other person is not properly responding, label him a troll and feel the smug satisfaction that better-than-thou types need to sustain them.

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  • CtrlAltDel said...

    That's right. Disparage other viewpoints that you don't agree with or make you angry and ridicule the person you are zeroing in on and ostracize them, much like your type like to do to fatties.

    If you can't agrue your stance successfully or you feel the other person is not properly responding, label him a troll and feel the smug satisfaction that better-than-thou types need to sustain them.

    You would make a great politician. A natural filibuster-er.

    stoptothink

  • CtrlAltDel said...

    That's right. Disparage other viewpoints that you don't agree with or make you angry and ridicule the person you are zeroing in on and ostracize them, much like your type like to do to fatties.

    If you can't agrue your stance successfully or you feel the other person is not properly responding, label him a troll and feel the smug satisfaction that better-than-thou types need to sustain them.

    You would make a great politician. A natural filibuster-er.

    stoptothink

  • CtrlAltDel said...

    That's right. Disparage other viewpoints that you don't agree with or make you angry and ridicule the person you are zeroing in on and ostracize them, much like your type like to do to fatties.

    If you can't agrue your stance successfully or you feel the other person is not properly responding, label him a troll and feel the smug satisfaction that better-than-thou types need to sustain them.

    I mean, you aren't even making good connections. You can change the fact you are overweight without any medical procedures(It may be difficult) and you cannot change the fact that you are unhappy with your looks without medical procedure. I am not gonna judge someones looks(beauty scale wise unless they are a woman and I want to date them).

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  • Again... A worthless argument.

    There is no such thing as simple surgery. Furthermore, to compare surgery (which costs money) to diet and exercise (which can SAVE money) is ludicrous.

    For your sake, I hope you're intentionally reaching.

    So are you against an employer requiring certain standards if hygiene? [Sarcasm] That's ridiculous, right? Are we living in a communist society? How dare they try to shape us all into identical looking mindless drones!!! [/sarcasm]

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • theFightingtide said...

    I mean, you aren't even making good connections. You can change the fact you are overweight without any medical procedures(It may be difficult) and you cannot change the fact that you are unhappy with your looks without medical procedure. I am not gonna judge someones looks(beauty scale wise unless they are a woman and I want to date them).

    So you are of the opinion that forcing someone to "naturally" modify their body is okay and acceptable. As long as you feel and have determined it's for their own medical good and have studies to back you up, you can legally make them suffer the consequences or get their minds right and do what you demand of them.

    And that, somehow, is just totally not even related in any way to doing the same thing to other types of people and perhaps making them have minor surgery to achieve the same goal?

    That's an odd rationalization.

    As I say, studies need to be done on all types of situations people find themselves in so that we can determine if they meet standards of being pretty much flawless and extremely productive relative to your very hardest and dedicated worker.

    This club-footed guy I used to work with could not walk as fast as other employees of the company but, he was a decent worker just the same. He was not poor and could have had his condition somewhat corrected if he had just come off a little bit of cash but, he didn't. If he had been threatened with losing his job because of it, I bet he would have.

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  • You sure have wasted a lot of your time crafting such a bad argument.

    AbsenteeTrojan