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Immigration question.

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    You're entire argument was that Islamic culture isn't as good as ours, so we shouldn't be accepting of it. Which is fine. But that argument is irrelevant if Hispanic culture is just as good as ours (good being accepting of basic human rights). So, yes, it does matter.

    "This is not a Hispanic Country...yet... and we have a different way life and most of us would rather keep it that way,"

    Source please.

    "and rightfully so"

    Why? No proof given.

    "You are going in circles with this argument, as you again question the existence of American culture which leads us right back to saying that, that is saying our culture doesn't matter."

    Our culture is simply the sum of the culture of the people who make up our country. So, it certainly exists. It just changes based on our population.

    I used Islam as an example. And it isn't just about being just as good, which Latin culture is not, it's also about a different way of life, different social norms, different traditions, different world views etc.

    Source for what? It think it's pretty obvious the cultures of the US and Mexico are rather different. LOL. Seriously?

    And your last sentence is true in that it does change based on the population, but what if the old population doesn't want the culture the new population is bringing with it? What if we want to maintain what we currently have? The culture we have already created. What if we don't want our culture to disappear?

    If current trends persist, the native Britons will be outnumbered on their own island in about 75-100 years or so. So yes the Britain of the future will have a different culture then, but at the expense of the culture which had been there for centuries. Everything that has been or is Britain today will cease to exist. That's scary, I don't want the same thing here. I don't want future generations to feel no connection to WWII because their ancestors didn't fight in it, or reject the constitution because that was from a different country except in name.

    By displacing our population you are handing over the keys to your house, that you built, to people who weren't part of that, who have no connection or appreciation for how it all came to be.

    TroyTide

  • CMXI said...

    No. No, no, no, no. You're so wrong. Muslims currently make up about 6% of Europe's population, and even generous growth estimates only project around a 1% increase every decade.

    Seriously, good lord. You're just so wildly incorrect on this, and it takes 2 seconds of research to see how wrong you are. Fact-checking is your friend.

    Nope.

    There is source after source on this, just Google it.

    Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent

    The EU is facing an era of vast social change, reports Adrian Michaels, and few politicians are taking notice

    www.telegraph.co.uk

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    I used Islam as an example. And it isn't just about being just as good, which Latin culture is not, it's also about a different way of life, different social norms, different traditions, different world views etc.

    Source for what? It think it's pretty obvious the cultures of the US and Mexico are rather different. LOL. Seriously?

    And your last sentence is true in that it does change based on the population, but what if the old population doesn't want the culture the new population is bringing with it? What if we want to maintain what we currently have? The culture we have already created. What if we don't want our culture to disappear?

    If current trends persist, the native Britons will be outnumbered on their own island in about 75-100 years or so. So yes the Britain of the future will have a different culture then, but at the expense of the culture which had been there for centuries. Everything that has been or is Britain today will cease to exist. That's scary, I don't want the same thing here. I don't want future generations to feel no connection to WWII because their ancestors didn't fight in it, or reject the constitution because that was from a different country except in name.

    By displacing our population you are handing over the keys to your house, that you built, to people who weren't part of that, who have no connection or appreciation for how it all came to be.

    "And it isn't just about being just as good, which Latin culture is not, it's also about a different way of life, different social norms, different traditions, different world views etc."

    Why isn't it as good? Nothing wrong with it from a human rights standpoint.

    "Source for what? It think it's pretty obvious the cultures of the US and Mexico are rather different. LOL. Seriously?"

    No moron. "Most of us would rather keep it that way". Source

    "And your last sentence is true in that it does change based on the population, but what if the old population doesn't want the culture the new population is bringing with it? What if we want to maintain what we currently have? The culture we have already created. What if we don't want our culture to disappear? "

    Then they can move somewhere else. They are just as free to do whatever they want. Freedom for people is more important than forcing young people to submit to the ways and culture of the elderly.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    "And it isn't just about being just as good, which Latin culture is not, it's also about a different way of life, different social norms, different traditions, different world views etc."

    Why isn't it as good? Nothing wrong with it from a human rights standpoint.

    "Source for what? It think it's pretty obvious the cultures of the US and Mexico are rather different. LOL. Seriously?"

    No moron. "Most of us would rather keep it that way". Source

    "And your last sentence is true in that it does change based on the population, but what if the old population doesn't want the culture the new population is bringing with it? What if we want to maintain what we currently have? The culture we have already created. What if we don't want our culture to disappear? "

    Then they can move somewhere else. They are just as free to do whatever they want. Freedom for people is more important than forcing young people to submit to the ways and culture of the elderly.

    Exactly, the current population can just get the hell out because the country belongs to the immigrants now. Exactly how the left and immigrants view the issue. People have no right to their own countries.

    So I guess it was okay for the Islamist to push their way into Mali and Darfur right? After all life is tough.

    TroyTide

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    "And it isn't just about being just as good, which Latin culture is not, it's also about a different way of life, different social norms, different traditions, different world views etc."

    Why isn't it as good? Nothing wrong with it from a human rights standpoint.

    "Source for what? It think it's pretty obvious the cultures of the US and Mexico are rather different. LOL. Seriously?"

    No moron. "Most of us would rather keep it that way". Source

    "And your last sentence is true in that it does change based on the population, but what if the old population doesn't want the culture the new population is bringing with it? What if we want to maintain what we currently have? The culture we have already created. What if we don't want our culture to disappear? "

    Then they can move somewhere else. They are just as free to do whatever they want. Freedom for people is more important than forcing young people to submit to the ways and culture of the elderly.

    Also 70% of Americans want to close the Southern border. So there is your most of us.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Exactly, the current population can just get the hell out because the country belongs to the immigrants now. Exactly how the left and immigrants view the issue. People have no right to their own countries.

    So I guess it was okay for the Islamist to push their way into Mali and Darfur right? After all life is tough.

    No. The current population can either GTFO or stay there. Whatever they want. Same with the immigrants. Freedom and basic human rights trump whichever culture you think is 'better'.

    The problem with the right is that you view this as "us vs. them" like you're somehow at war with people who think differently or eat different food or something.

    Well let me give you some reality. In 50 years, the redneck Alabama culture is going to be completely different. People might look at NASCAR or flat screen TVs the way we look at black and white 'picture shows' - an obsolete relic of a time gone by. When you tell your grandkids that you used to drive you're own car, they are going to look at you like you have 3 heads. When you tell your grandkids you got your power to cook food from the remains of decomposed dinosaurs, they are going to laugh and not believe you.

    Welcome to humanity. We improve as time goes by.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    No. The current population can either GTFO or stay there. Whatever they want. Same with the immigrants. Freedom and basic human rights trump whichever culture you think is 'better'.

    The problem with the right is that you view this as "us vs. them" like you're somehow at war with people who think differently or eat different food or something.

    Well let me give you some reality. In 50 years, the redneck Alabama culture is going to be completely different. People might look at NASCAR or flat screen TVs the way we look at black and white 'picture shows' - an obsolete relic of a time gone by. When you tell your grandkids that you used to drive you're own car, they are going to look at you like you have 3 heads. When you tell your grandkids you got your power to cook food from the remains of decomposed dinosaurs, they are going to laugh and not believe you.

    Welcome to humanity. We improve as time goes by.

    Changes in technology and taste is not the same as changes in culture.

    It is not a human right to displace a current population from their land. So by your logic what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was perfectly okay then, right?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TroyTide on 2/28/2013 at 1:00 PM

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Changes in technology and taste is not the same as changes in culture.

    It is not a human right to displace a current population from their land. So by your logic what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was perfectly okay then, right?

    "Changes in technology and taste is not the same as changes in culture. "

    Yes it is. You don't think there is a cultural difference between Louis Armstrong and Katy Perry? Are you joking?

    "It is not a human right to displace a current population from their land. So by your logic what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was perfectly okay then, right?"

    Me from the last post: The current population can either GTFO or stay there. Whatever they want."

    No one is proposing that all Americans have to leave and give up all their land to Hispanic people. They are free to stay if they want. But if the presence of Hispanic people makes them want to leave, then they can do that too. Whatever they want. There is no forced takeover here.

    What you're proposing is to limit the entrance of people based on nothing more than you don't like their culture. THAT is a violation of human rights.

    This post was edited by ramssuperbowl99 on 2/28/2013 at 1:04 PM

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    "Changes in technology and taste is not the same as changes in culture. "

    Yes it is. You don't think there is a cultural difference between Louis Armstrong and Katy Perry? Are you joking?

    "It is not a human right to displace a current population from their land. So by your logic what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was perfectly okay then, right?"

    Me from the last post: The current population can either GTFO or stay there. Whatever they want."

    No one is proposing that all Americans have to leave and give up all their land to Hispanic people. They are free to stay if they want. But if the presence of Hispanic people makes them want to leave, then they can do that too. Whatever they want. There is no forced takeover here.

    What you're proposing is to limit the entrance of people based on nothing more than you don't like their culture. THAT is a violation of human rights.

    That is not a violation of Human rights, lol. It is how most of the world views immigration, Western Liberals being the only exception.

    The underlying fundamental culture in this country is the same as it has always been.

    Now lets agree to disagree and move on, clearly it doesn't bother you that our culture will disappear. So there is nothing to argue to any point of agreement between us.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    That is not a violation of Human rights, lol. It is how most of the world views immigration, Western Liberals being the only exception.

    The underlying fundamental culture in this country is the same as it has always been.

    Now lets agree to disagree and move on, clearly it doesn't bother you that our culture will disappear. So there is nothing to argue to any point of agreement between us.

    What culture are you talking about the American culture was made up by immigrants years and years ago. And as far as the illegal Hispanic community being unskilled and uneducated you might be right but the skilled outweighs the unskilled just look at construction companies restaurants hell even oil field companies they realiy heavily on the illegal or legal Hispanic community for the simple fact that are not lazy and are very good in what they do . I'm not saying that the Hispanic community is perfect in everything because they are not just saying to watch your words in saying they are all unskilled and uneducated.

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  • The United States of America is one of the largest countries in the world with an increasingly diverse population and many different cultural groups. Whatever TroyTide makes of this American culture, it doesn't exist. There is no one culture to define a country of over 300 million people, and it's ridiculous to think that immigrants from Latin America is hurting the country's image at all.

    Hot Sauce

  • Hot Sauce said...

    The United States of America is one of the largest countries in the world with an increasingly diverse population and many different cultural groups. Whatever TroyTide makes of this American culture, it doesn't exist. There is no one culture to define a country of over 300 million people, and it's ridiculous to think that immigrants from Latin America is hurting the country's image at all.

    Latin immigration is definitely hurting our image. I'm from a town where over half of the population is illegals. As a city we'd be better off without them.

    TeddyG

  • Hot Sauce said...

    The United States of America is one of the largest countries in the world with an increasingly diverse population and many different cultural groups. Whatever TroyTide makes of this American culture, it doesn't exist. There is no one culture to define a country of over 300 million people, and it's ridiculous to think that immigrants from Latin America is hurting the country's image at all.

    The United State's culture is based on Western European Culture so yeah there is an underlying culture here. Sorry, but we aren't the product of the entire world.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 2/28/2013 at 2:03 PM

    TroyTide

  • DTGdawg said...

    Latin immigration is definitely hurting our image. I'm from a town where over half of the population is illegals. As a city we'd be better off without them.

    How do you know your town is better without them? There must be a need for their work if so many have chosen to settle there.

    Hot Sauce

  • TroyTide said...

    The United State's culture is based on Western European Culture so yeah there is an underlying culture here. Sorry, but we aren't the product of the entire world.

    Sure, that was true 100 years ago. We've clearly had a decline of the power of white Anglo-Saxons.

    Hot Sauce

  • Hot Sauce said...

    Sure, that was true 100 years ago. We've clearly had a decline of the power of white Anglo-Saxons.

    And even within America, there is tons of cultural difference. You think San Francisco and Mobile have even remotely the same culture?

    ramssuperbowl99

  • Hot Sauce said...

    How do you know your town is better without them? There must be a need for their work if so many have chosen to settle there.

    lol. Yeah a need that used to be filled by citizens.

    Hot Sauce is the perfect example of my argument here. No matter how long his family has been here he will always identify with Hispanic culture first and America second. And thinks it's just great that America is getting more people like him. An opinion that I am expected to share and can't wish for my own kind.

    TroyTide

  • Hot Sauce said...

    Sure, that was true 100 years ago. We've clearly had a decline of the power of white Anglo-Saxons.

    Thanks to immigration. But WASP culture still predominates in this country even if most aren't descended from it.

    TroyTide

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    And even within America, there is tons of cultural difference. You think San Francisco and Mobile have even remotely the same culture?

    Yes.

    TroyTide

  • Troy what America are you talking about anybody with common knowledge knows that America is north and South America

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  • Ahcoo said...

    Troy what America are you talking about anybody with common knowledge knows that America is north and South America

    Anybody with common sense knows that "America" here and around the world is used to refer to the United States even in the rest of the Americas. Nice try though.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Anybody with common sense knows that "America" here and around the world is used to refer to the United States even in the rest of the Americas. Nice try though.

    When ever you come across a US border patrol check point they ask are you a us citizen not an American citizen so again what America are you referring to " nice try though"

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  • Ahcoo said...

    When ever you come across a US border patrol check point they ask are you a us citizen not an American citizen so again what America are you referring to " nice try though"

    LOL. God you are dumb.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    LOL. God you are dumb.

    You are the one argueing about Jow immigrants are destroying the American culture

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  • TroyTide said...

    The United State's culture is based on Western European Culture so yeah there is an underlying culture here. Sorry, but we aren't the product of the entire world.

    Dude, you are wasting your time. This is just another issue where our country is divided.

    Half think that we should secure our borders and not allow people to enter illegally. They think that being American still means something and they want to preserve that. People that come to the US should become citizens and adapt to our society.

    The other half wants to knock down the walls and allow everyone in that wants. They don't think there should be laws preventing people from crossing borders and that Americans should be the ones to adapt.

    Everyone has made up their minds and can't be convinced otherwise. I'm curious to hear the opinions of people who live in the main settling areas. Of course, people are around Hispanics all over the country but I'm talking about the south Texans, Arizona, New Mexico, etc where you have to be bilingual to function and deal with illegals every day, not somebody up north that sporadically sees them.

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