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Is Arkansas a better job than Nebraska?

  • RabidWolverine said...

    It impacts recruiting. A lot of prospects like programs that have a rich history. You as a Bama fan should know that. Not to mention Nebraska has better facilities, they can recruit nationally (which Arky has never been able to do), and they have a larger an better fanbase.

    I don't think it does anymore. I don't think kids these days care who was good 60 years ago. They care about the passion of a fanbase now and how good a chance they have of winning now and getting to the NFL now. LSU and UF are far better jobs than Michigan, Nebraska, etc, now and neither were worth a damn for a very long time. Football has changed and it's only going to change more in the same direction. Location, location, location .

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  • devidee said...

    SEC homers gonna homer.

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    Traditionally, Nebraska is a much better job. The money is on the side of Arkansas, but not so much that it will actually matter. Facilities are great at both schools. I think winning at the level that Nebraska used to will never happen again, but I don't think it is going to happen at Arkansas either.

    Pelini would be foolish to leave, but if it was a coach with no ties to either and had to pick between the two, it would be a toss up right now, IMO.

    One thing you can say is that Nebraska will always be committed to football. If Mike Anderson gets Arkansas basketball back to what it was during the Nolan days, I am not sure football will always be their top priority anymore. Football became a bigger deal at Arkansas because basketball sucked there.

    I would never leave Nebraska for Arkansas unless I was given ownership in Walmart.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Traditionally, Nebraska is a much better job. The money is on the side of Arkansas, but not so much that it will actually matter. Facilities are great at both schools. I think winning at the level that Nebraska used to will never happen again, but I don't think it is going to happen at Arkansas either.

    Pelini would be foolish to leave, but if it was a coach with no ties to either and had to pick between the two, it would be a toss up right now, IMO.

    One thing you can say is that Nebraska will always be committed to football. If Mike Anderson gets Arkansas basketball back to what it was during the Nolan days, I am not sure football will always be their top priority anymore. Football became a bigger deal at Arkansas because basketball sucked there.

    I would never leave Nebraska for Arkansas unless I was given ownership in Walmart.

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  • Nebraska has the tradition but I would say Arkansas is a better job right now.

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  • Weedline said...

    I don't think it does anymore. I don't think kids these days care who was good 60 years ago. They care about the passion of a fanbase now and how good a chance they have of winning now and getting to the NFL now. LSU and UF are far better jobs than Michigan, Nebraska, etc, now and neither were worth a damn for a very long time. Football has changed and it's only going to change more in the same direction. Location, location, location .

    Couldn't disagree more. There has always been a short term ebb and flow at the top of the CFB hierarchy, but some programs have the history, tradition and money to carry them through down periods and bounce back very quickly. LSU has been hot recently, but there's no guarantee that will stick long term. A bad coaching hire or two and they easily could slide back to the middle of the pack in the SEC. The opposite is true for programs like Bama and Oklahoma and Michigan and ND. Bama was nothing special for nearly a decade before Saban arrived, but look at them again now. Michigan was an absolute dumpster fire under RR. And ND has wandered in the wilderness for close to two decades, but one good coaching hire and they are back among the elite instantly. I don't think a program like Arkansas or even LSU are in that same category. Even a school like Miami, which dominated much of the 80s and 90s, is now to the point where it might never come back. Who would have predicted that ten years ago?

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 11/14/2012 at 10:11 AM

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  • Weedline said...

    I don't think it does anymore. I don't think kids these days care who was good 60 years ago. They care about the passion of a fanbase now and how good a chance they have of winning now and getting to the NFL now. LSU and UF are far better jobs than Michigan, Nebraska, etc, now and neither were worth a damn for a very long time. Football has changed and it's only going to change more in the same direction. Location, location, location .

    You'd be surprised. A lot of the commits Michigan has gotten the past two years cite tradition as one of the factors as to why they chose us.

    And you say they care about the passion of a fanbase? Then why are you arguing Ark over Neb in the first place?

    And lol @ LSU and UF being a better job than Mich. NFL you say? Minus RichRod, Michigan pumps out way more NFL talent than those 2 schools. People have such short memories nowadays.

    This post was edited by Rabid on 11/14/2012 at 10:07 AM

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  • Weedline said...

    I don't think it does anymore. I don't think kids these days care who was good 60 years ago. They care about the passion of a fanbase now and how good a chance they have of winning now and getting to the NFL now. LSU and UF are far better jobs than Michigan, Nebraska, etc, now and neither were worth a damn for a very long time. Football has changed and it's only going to change more in the same direction. Location, location, location .

    LSU and UF are better jobs, but this thread is about Arkansas. I don't think you are going to have anyone argue that Nebraska is a better job than UF or LSU at this time.

    And passion of the fan base. I think Nebraska would win that in a land slide over Arkansas. We have only sold out every game since 1963 even in the Callahan years where we were getting blown out every seat was filled.

    I don't think Pelini is leaving for Arkansas, unless he is having issues with the new AD or with Perlman.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Couldn't disagree more. There has always been a short term ebb and flow at the top of the CFB hierarchy, but some programs have the history, tradition and money to carry them through down periods and bounce back very quickly. LSU had been hot recently, but there's no guarantee that will stick. A bad coaching hire or two and they easily could slide back to the middle of the pack in the SEC. The opposite is true for programs like Bama and Oklahoma and Michigan and ND. Bama was nothing special for about a decade before Saban arrived, but look at them again now. Michigan was an absolute dumpster fire under RR. And ND has wandered in the wilderness for close to two decades, but one good coaching hire and they are back among the elite instantly. I don't think a program like Arkansas or even LSU are in that same category. Even a school like Miami, which dominated much of the 80s and 90s, is now to the point where it might never come back. Who would have predicted that ten years ago?

    LSU has the teflon nowadays. They have incredible in-state talent and east Tejas might as well be in-state. They had hosses even when they sucked ass. Lending to your point though, they've won enough now that they will always be a good hire away from being really solid again. Point taken on Arky.

    Personally, I have a lot of respect for Nebraska, and they're definitely in perma-blue-blood status. They can reach across the midwest and get kids, and occasionally across the country. The B1G is easier to win in most years, while still carrying the prestige it's always had.

    The only thing I don't get is the money argument. If your program could afford 10m/year, then money isn't an issue. Because nobody is going to break that barrier for fear of public perception of their priorities. Both can easily afford that. Now...if we're bidding on a country, Arky wins several times over unless I'm missing someone with Nebraska ties. Arky has Walton money, which combined would exceed Warren Buffett money (and maybe Gates money combined). They also have guys like Jerry Jones. Money isn't a problem for Arky. The idea of living in Arky is the problem.

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  • kray98721 said...

    Nebraska has the tradition but I would say Arkansas is a better job right now.

    Lol what da F goes through your head? Why would anyone want to coach a team that would have a losing record in the Sun Belt? Also their best recruiting class ever was 33rd.. Arkansas is a joke and always has been. Nobody wants to go to a doo doo football program. Nebraska has won Heismans and titles....Arkansas has well won pretty much nothing.

    This post was edited by Bill Cutting on 11/14/2012 at 10:19 AM

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  • devidee said...

    Reports (via the twitters) that Arkansas' AD is very interested in Pelini.

    This is hilarious to me on every level possible.

    LMAO. The only thing that could make this result better would be the NCAA granting Taylor Martinez an extra four years of eligibility.

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  • TheT12 said...

    LSU has the teflon nowadays. They have incredible in-state talent and east Tejas might as well be in-state. They had hosses even when they sucked ass. Lending to your point though, they've won enough now that they will always be a good hire away from being really solid again. Point taken on Arky.

    Personally, I have a lot of respect for Nebraska, and they're definitely in perma-blue-blood status. They can reach across the midwest and get kids, and occasionally across the country. The B1G is easier to win in most years, while still carrying the prestige it's always had.

    The only thing I don't get is the money argument. If your program could afford 10m/year, then money isn't an issue. Because nobody is going to break that barrier for fear of public perception of their priorities. Both can easily afford that. Now...if we're bidding on a country, Arky wins several times over unless I'm missing someone with Nebraska ties. Arky has Walton money, which combined would exceed Warren Buffett money (and maybe Gates money combined). They also have guys like Jerry Jones. Money isn't a problem for Arky. The idea of living in Arky is the problem.

    Both schools have very wealthy donors. Nebraska has the Ricketts and Warren Buffet. And people who do not believe Nebraska has facilities on par with any program in the country clearly have never visited. Arky was nowhere until Petrino arrived and it's a huge question mark which way they will go without him. I'm not saying it's a bad program, but it's silly to suggest it's better than Nebraska simply because they've had a few good years and Nebraska has had a few mediocre ones. That's just the normal ebb and flow in CFB. Tennessee is down right now too, but it's a much better job (and program) than Arkansas. One good coaching hire and UT will be competitive again with UF and UGA in the SEC East.

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    You'd be surprised. A lot of the commits Michigan has gotten the past two years cite tradition as one of the factors as to why they chose us.

    And you say they care about the passion of a fanbase? Then why are you arguing Ark over Neb in the first place?

    And lol @ LSU and UF being a better job than Mich. NFL you say? Minus RichRod, Michigan pumps out way more NFL talent than those 2 schools. People have such short memories nowadays.

    I wonder why a Michigan man with Bo ties turned down Michigan to stay at LSU.

    You say the ones that came site that, but the question is what do the guys that don't go there site?

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  • BetterOff said...

    I wonder why a Michigan man with Bo ties turned down Michigan to stay at LSU.

    You say the ones that came site that, but the question is what do the guys that don't go there site?

    Because that Michigan man slept with Moeller's wife back in the day and Lloyd holds hella grudges.

    Miles will never get that job while Lloyd Carr is alive.

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  • BetterOff said...

    I wonder why a Michigan man with Bo ties turned down Michigan to stay at LSU.

    You say the ones that came site that, but the question is what do the guys that don't go there site?

    Wow...slow.

    This post was edited by Bill Cutting on 11/14/2012 at 10:39 AM

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  • RabidWolverine said...
    And lol @ LSU and UF being a better job than Mich. NFL you say? Minus RichRod, Michigan pumps out way more NFL talent than those 2 schools. People have such short memories nowadays.

    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Look at the results from the NFL drafts from 2002-2012 minus the Rich Rod years. Let my facts speak for themselves. You will notice that Michigan didn't produce more NFL draft choices than both LSU and Florida in any year.

    2012 Draft
    LSU - 5
    Michigan - 3
    FL - 2

    2011 Draft
    LSU - 6
    FL - 4
    Michigan - 2

    2007 Draft
    FL - 9
    Michigan - 7
    LSU - 5

    2006 Draft
    LSU - 7
    FL - 3
    Michigan - 3

    2005 Draft
    LSU - 3
    FL - 3
    Michigan - 3

    2004 Draft
    LSU - 7
    FL - 5
    Michigan - 4

    2003 Draft
    FL - 8
    Michigan - 6
    LSU - 4

    2002 Draft
    FL - 8
    LSU - 5
    Michigan - 4

    LSU 5+6+5+7+3+7+4+5 = 42 draft choices
    FL 2+4+9+3+3+5+8+8 = 42 draft choices
    Mich 3+2+7+3+3+4+6+4 = 32 draft choices

    By the way, current players in the NFL:
    LSU - 38
    FL - 32
    Michigan - 25

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  • BetterOff said...

    I wonder why a Michigan man with Bo ties turned down Michigan to stay at LSU.

    You say the ones that came site that, but the question is what do the guys that don't go there site?

    Les turned down UM because he feels he has something special at LSU, and he loves the state of Louisiana. That's perfectly fine and I respect Les for staying. But I don't think LSU has an advantage over Mich in anything from a coaching standpoin except for in state talent (but a lack of in state talent has never hurt Mich anyways) and conference power (recruits who just want to play SEC ball)

    And recruits who don't cite that, usually say things like family atmosphere, academics, just things like that.

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  • SkullyMaroo said...

    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Look at the results from the NFL drafts from 2002-2012 minus the Rich Rod years. Let my facts speak for themselves. You will notice that Michigan didn't produce more NFL draft choices than both LSU and Florida in any year.

    2012 Draft
    LSU - 5
    Michigan - 3
    FL - 2

    2011 Draft
    LSU - 6
    FL - 4
    Michigan - 2

    2007 Draft
    FL - 9
    Michigan - 7
    LSU - 5

    2006 Draft
    LSU - 7
    FL - 3
    Michigan - 3

    2005 Draft
    LSU - 3
    FL - 3
    Michigan - 3

    2004 Draft
    LSU - 7
    FL - 5
    Michigan - 4

    2003 Draft
    FL - 8
    Michigan - 6
    LSU - 4

    2002 Draft
    FL - 8
    LSU - 5
    Michigan - 4

    LSU 5+6+5+7+3+7+4+5 = 42 draft choices
    FL 2+4+9+3+3+5+8+8 = 42 draft choices
    Mich 3+2+7+3+3+4+6+4 = 32 draft choices

    By the way, current players in the NFL:
    LSU - 38
    FL - 32
    Michigan - 25

    Wow, you owned me. Nice job. clap I admit I was wrong on that

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Wow, you owned me. Nice job. clap I admit I was wrong on that

    No worries. cool

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  • bhiley77 said...

    This is true -- Arkansas mostly gets their three-star recruits with few other offers locally, where as Nebraska will go coast to coast for their three star recruits with few other offers.

    Lulz. Nice.

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  • The list of jobs better than Michigan is extremely short, IMO. I don't think people in.the south can appreciate the magnitude of Michigan football.

    I've been lucky enough to attend games at both...monstrous games, even. Mind blowing experiences.

    Gun to my head, I'm taking Michigan over LSU. However, there are arguments to be made.

    Oh, and Nebraska shits on Arkansas.

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  • The list of jobs better than Michigan is extremely short, IMO. I don't think people in.the south can appreciate the magnitude of Michigan football.

    I've been lucky enough to attend games at both...monstrous games, even. Mind blowing experiences.

    Gun to my head, I'm taking Michigan over LSU. However, there are arguments to be made.

    Oh, and Nebraska shits on Arkansas.

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  • WillyDees said...

    The list of jobs better than Michigan is extremely short, IMO. I don't think people in.the south can appreciate the magnitude of Michigan football.

    I've been lucky enough to attend games at both...monstrous games, even. Mind blowing experiences.

    Gun to my head, I'm taking Michigan over LSU. However, there are arguments to be made.

    Oh, and Nebraska shits on Arkansas.

    Really when you are talking about the top 10-15 jobs in the country they are all great and very little to distinguish them.

    A good coach can win at any of them.

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  • ksredmill said...

    Lulz. Nice.

    Nebraska has five national titles since 1970 (three in the 90s alone). How many does Arky have during that period? Nebraska has struggled a bit since the retirement of legendary coach Tom Osborne, but what elite program hasn't gone through the same thing? And even despite that, they are on track to play in their third BCS bowl since 1998. They are fourth in all-time wins and have 43 conference championships. Arky has 13 conference championships, all from their SWAC days. They have never sniffed an SEC title. Arky is about as relevant a football program as Illinois or Iowa.

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  • Aussie said...

    Really when you are talking about the top 10-15 jobs in the country they are all great and very little to distinguish them.

    A good coach can win at any of them.

    I don't think Nebraska is a top 10-15 job anymore

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Nebraska has five national titles since 1970 (three in the 90s alone). How many does Arky have during that period? Nebraska has struggled a bit since the retirement of legendary coach Tom Osborne, but what elite program hasn't gone through the same thing? And even despite that, they are on track to play in their third BCS bowl since 1998. They are fourth in all-time wins and have 43 conference championships. Arky has 13 conference championships, all from their SWAC days. They have never sniffed an SEC title. Arky is about as relevant a football program as Illinois or Iowa.

    Iowa is a much better job than Arkansas.

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