Online Now 3742

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

On this Board 1922
Record: 7394 (2/14/2012)

Online now 3673
Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)

Boards ▾

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

247Rumors

College football scuttlebutt and scoop- powered by Football Rumor Mill

The Green Board

Where the madness isn't just in March.

Big Ten Board (Beta)

Reply

Is Florida State in the 90's a true dynasty?

  • I say no. Two in 6 years is impressive, along with the 4 straight appearances and 15 years of top 5 finishes but I don't constitute that as a dynasty. Compared to other dynasty FSU falls way short.

    klong2005

  • klong2005 said...

    I say no. Two in 6 years is impressive, along with the 4 straight appearances and 15 years of top 5 finishes but I don't constitute that as a dynasty. Compared to other dynasty FSU falls way short.

    Brutal attempt. Go back to BOL.

    Alonzo Harris

  • klong2005 said...

    I say no. Two in 6 years is impressive, along with the 4 straight appearances and 15 years of top 5 finishes but I don't constitute that as a dynasty. Compared to other dynasty FSU falls way short.

    yeah, that was pretty bad. You need to go back to trolling school, or catch up on some new trainings....smh

    signature image

    ECU grad, tOSU fan for life. Father since 1/12/13.

    Murrdawg69

  • first. define dynasty?

    wins? win%? titles? conf titles?

    theharbinater

  • theharbinater said...

    first. define dynasty?

    anybody who's team name begins with A, and ends in labama

    signature image

    ECU grad, tOSU fan for life. Father since 1/12/13.

    Murrdawg69

  • Why yes, yes they were a dynasty.

    bamafan0708

  • theharbinater said...

    first. define dynasty?

    wins? win%? titles? conf titles?

    To me a dynasty is defined by reaching the TOP of your respective sport multiple of times within a defined time frame. I use a measure of 10 years. With that being said here a few Dynasties:

    Miami of the 80's
    Dallas Cowboys of the 90's
    Nebraska of the 90's
    Yankees of the 90's, 30's and overall as an orginazation
    Steerlers of the 70's
    Cowboys of the 70's
    The SEC in the BCS era
    UCLA Wooden era
    LSU Baseball in the 90's
    49ers in the 80's
    Lakers in the 80's
    Celtics in Bill Russell's era
    Bulls 90's
    Lakers 2000's
    Spurs 99-07

    Not Dynasties

    Braves in the 90's
    Bill in the 90's
    USC 03-08
    FSU in the 90's
    Alabama 08-11
    Florida 06-09
    Kentucky Basketball 96-98
    Duke

    This post was edited by klong2005 on 5/11/2012 at 11:50 AM

    klong2005

  • When Florida state was good I was 10

    signature image signature image signature image

    @BillyEN4C

    BillyEN4C

  • klong2005 said...

    To me a dynasty is defined by reaching the TOP of your respective sport multiple of times within a defined time frame. I use a measure of 10 years. With that being said here a few Dynasties:

    Miami of the 80's Dallas Cowboys of the 90's Nebraska of the 90's Yankees of the 90's, 30's and overall as an orginazation Steerlers of the 70's Cowboys of the 70's The SEC in the BCS era UCLA Wooden era LSU Baseball in the 90's 49ers in the 80's Lakers in the 80's Celtics in Bill Russell's era Bulls 90's Lakers 2000's Spurs 99-07

    Not Dynasties

    Braves in the 90's Bill in the 90's USC 03-08 FSU in the 90's Alabama 08-11 Florida 06-09 Kentucky Basketball 96-98 Duke

    if 90's nebraska is a dynasty, fsu is also.

    fsu trumps them in almost all categories for the 90's as a whole, except national titles in which it is 3 to 2.

    wins and win%:
    1. Florida St. (109-13-1)--0.89024 (37.84-15.24) (827-483-9)--0.63040
    2. Nebraska (108-16-1)--0.86800 (38.94-15.33) (774-535-20)--0.58992

    fsu leads both

    conf titles:
    1 Florida St. 8
    2 Nebraska 7

    major (bcs) bowl appearances (both went to bowls all 10 years):
    1 Florida St. 9
    2 Nebraska 8

    bowl record:
    Florida St. (8-2-0)--0.80000
    Nebraska (5-5-0)--0.50000

    and they did it vs tough competition as well.

    vs bowl teams:
    1. Florida St. (49-13-1)--0.78571
    2. Nebraska (39-14-1)--0.73148

    # of games played vs bowl teams:
    fsu played the 2nd most bowl opponent at 63
    neb wasn't in top 25 for most bowl opp at 54

    vs top 25 (year end rank) opp:
    1. Florida St. (38-12-1)--0.75490
    2. Nebraska (28-15-1)--0.64773

    fsu played 2nd most year end ranked teams at 51
    neb was 11th at 44
    top 10 finishes:
    1 Florida St. 10
    3 Nebraska 6

    top 5 finished:
    1 Florida St. 10
    2 Nebraska 5

    #1 finished
    1 Nebraska 3
    2 Florida St. 2

    .

    also, those #1 and #2's are national rankings. these 2 ranked 1/2 in all those categories nationally.

    and the only category neb is better in is the one that is subjective. we didn't even have the bcs for most of the time frame, and for the 2 years we did, fsu won it one of those years.

    fsu is clearly a dynasty by your criteria. arguably the best ever in cfb as these #'s compare very well to any other team's decade dynasties (i didn't present them here, but i have before and they were among the best #'s for any decade for any team.)

    theharbinater

  • I try to not be a homer, but it's hard to deny Nebraska's run in the 1990's.

    Final rankings/record by year: (AP Vote)

    1990 9-3 #17
    1991 9-2-1 #15 (Big 8 Champion)
    1992 9-3 #14 (Big 8 Champion)
    1993 11-1 #3 (Big 8 Champion, lost National Championship, FSU)
    1994 13-0 #1 (Won National Championship)
    1995 12-0 #1 (Won National Championship)
    1996 11-2 #6
    1997 13-0 #2 ("Split" National Championship with Michigan)
    1998 9-4 #19
    1999 12-1 #3 (Big 12 Champions)

    signature image signature image signature image

    STOOBIE

  • theharbinater said...

    if 90's nebraska is a dynasty, fsu is also.

    fsu trumps them in almost all categories for the 90's as a whole, except national titles in which it is 3 to 2.

    wins and win%: 1. Florida St. (109-13-1)--0.89024 (37.84-15.24) (827-483-9)--0.63040 2. Nebraska (108-16-1)--0.86800 (38.94-15.33) (774-535-20)--0.58992

    fsu leads both

    conf titles: 1 Florida St. 8 2 Nebraska 7

    major (bcs) bowl appearances (both went to bowls all 10 years): 1 Florida St. 9 2 Nebraska 8

    bowl record: Florida St. (8-2-0)--0.80000 Nebraska (5-5-0)--0.50000

    and they did it vs tough competition as well.

    vs bowl teams: 1. Florida St. (49-13-1)--0.78571 2. Nebraska (39-14-1)--0.73148

    # of games played vs bowl teams: fsu played the 2nd most bowl opponent at 63 neb wasn't in top 25 for most bowl opp at 54

    vs top 25 (year end rank) opp: 1. Florida St. (38-12-1)--0.75490 2. Nebraska (28-15-1)--0.64773

    fsu played 2nd most year end ranked teams at 51 neb was 11th at 44 top 10 finishes: 1 Florida St. 10 3 Nebraska 6

    top 5 finished: 1 Florida St. 10 2 Nebraska 5

    #1 finished 1 Nebraska 3 2 Florida St. 2

    .

    also, those #1 and #2's are national rankings. these 2 ranked 1/2 in all those categories nationally.

    and the only category neb is better in is the one that is subjective. we didn't even have the bcs for most of the time frame, and for the 2 years we did, fsu won it one of those years.

    fsu is clearly a dynasty by your criteria. arguably the best ever in cfb as these #'s compare very well to any other team's decade dynasties (i didn't present them here, but i have before and they were among the best #'s for any decade for any team.)

    clap

    signature image signature image signature image

    duvalnole

  • STOOBIE said...

    I try to not be a homer, but it's hard to deny Nebraska's run in the 1990's.

    Final rankings/record by year: (AP Vote)

    1990 9-3 #17 1991 9-2-1 #15 (Big 8 Champion) 1992 9-3 #14 (Big 8 Champion) 1993 11-1 #3 (Big 8 Champion, lost National Championship, FSU) 1994 13-0 #1 (Won National Championship) 1995 12-0 #1 (Won National Championship) 1996 11-2 #6 1997 13-0 #2 ("Split" National Championship with Michigan) 1998 9-4 #19 1999 12-1 #3 (Big 12 Champions)

    nebraska run in the 90's was epic, particularly the 5 years of 93-97.

    only lost 3 games in 5 years.

    won 3 titles, all undefeated. and played for another losing only that 1 game.

    "worst" season was an 11-2 #6 ranked season.

    not only did they win, but they won with ease.

    won games by and average of 28+ ppg during that time (high was 38+ppg 95, low was 20+ ppg in 93)

    EDIT: just realized i didn't post anything new except the ppg stat. but just to reiterate, it was a good run, lol.

    This post was edited by theharbinater on 5/11/2012 at 1:12 PM

    theharbinater

  • theharbinater said...

    nebraska run in the 90's was epic, particularly the 5 years of 93-97.

    only lost 3 games in 5 years.

    won 3 titles, all undefeated. and played for another losing only that 1 game.

    "worst" season was an 11-2 #6 ranked season.

    not only did they win, but they won with ease.

    won games by and average of 28+ ppg during that time (high was 38+ppg 95, low was 20+ ppg in 93)

    Yeah it was an amazing run. Not trying to discredit FSU, just tooting my own horn.

    signature image signature image signature image

    STOOBIE

  • Well the OP has been completly owned in this thread

    signature image signature image signature image

    duvalnole

  • IMO, you must win at least a few titles in a short time period to be considered a dynasty. FSU won 2 titles in 6 years...not a dynasty. They had an amazing run and won many ACC titles but do you consider a team that wins a bunch of divisional titles in pro sports a dynasty? I don't. I'm a Braves fan but don't consider their 14 year run of NL East titles a dynasty. Gotta be THE champ at least a few times, they only got 1 ring.

    Nebraska in the 90's was a dynasty. Florida and Alabama recently are close but kinda screwed each other. Bama still has a shot to become one. Miami in the 80's-early 90's was a dynasty. USC a few years ago was close but I don't see that as a dynasty either.

    Yankees in the late 90's-early 00's is another good example of a true dynasty. Cowboys in the 90's, Patriots in the early 00's.

    HADOUKEN

  • RTR13 said...

    IMO, you must win at least a few titles in a short time period to be considered a dynasty. FSU won 2 titles in 6 years...not a dynasty. They had an amazing run and won many ACC titles but do you consider a team that wins a bunch of divisional titles in pro sports a dynasty? I don't. I'm a Braves fan but don't consider their 14 year run of NL East titles a dynasty. Gotta be THE champ at least a few times, they only got 1 ring.

    Nebraska in the 90's was a dynasty. Florida and Alabama recently are close but kinda screwed each other. Bama still has a shot to become one. Miami in the 80's-early 90's was a dynasty. USC a few years ago was close but I don't see that as a dynasty either.

    Yankees in the late 90's-early 00's is another good example of a true dynasty. Cowboys in the 90's, Patriots in the early 00's.

    Did you read this thread, because we pretty much own Nebraska in the 90's in the majority of categories except titles. Plus you have to have luck to win titles, and we ran into some buzzsaws, because we played for 5 titles, but only got two. One in 96 Florida got a lucky rematch with FSU, and the majority of our team was sick. The other in 98 we lost Chirs Weinke against Tennessee, and had to go with our third string QB. In 2000 we lost our best receiver Snoop Minnis to suspension and Mark Richt had one foot out the door heading to UGA. Even Richt has admitted over the years he was not focused in that game, and should have told Bowden he should not have called the game.

    signature image signature image signature image

    duvalnole

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    I couldn't agree more. What a load of BS.

    Hey we could not help that the BCS loved us back then

    signature image signature image signature image

    duvalnole

  • klong2005 said...

    I say no. Two in 6 years is impressive, along with the 4 straight appearances and 15 years of top 5 finishes but I don't constitute that as a dynasty. Compared to other dynasty FSU falls way short.

    Wow what? Then please explain to us what a dynasty consists of.

    signature image

    Gringo Mafia Sergeant at Arms - 5 time POTW

    IrishImpact

  • duvalnole said...

    Did you read this thread, because we pretty much own Nebraska in the 90's in the majority of categories except titles. Plus you have to have luck to win titles, and we ran into some buzzsaws, because we played for 5 titles, but only got two. One in 96 Florida got a lucky rematch with FSU, and the majority of our team was sick. The other in 98 we lost Chirs Weinke against Tennessee, and had to go with our third string QB. In 2000 we lost our best receiver Snoop Minnis to suspension and Mark Richt had one foot out the door heading to UGA. Even Richt has admitted over the years he was not focused in that game, and should have told Bowden he should not have called the game.

    Looks a lot more like excuses than lack of luck ITP.

    signature image signature image signature image

    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • Look it isn't even debatable. FSU was a dynasty in the 90s. Flat out.

    Anyone who disagrees is just trolling because this is a fact.

    Marshall Nole

  • duvalnole said...

    Did you read this thread, because we pretty much own Nebraska in the 90's in the majority of categories except titles. Plus you have to have luck to win titles, and we ran into some buzzsaws, because we played for 5 titles, but only got two. One in 96 Florida got a lucky rematch with FSU, and the majority of our team was sick. The other in 98 we lost Chirs Weinke against Tennessee, and had to go with our third string QB. In 2000 we lost our best receiver Snoop Minnis to suspension and Mark Richt had one foot out the door heading to UGA. Even Richt has admitted over the years he was not focused in that game, and should have told Bowden he should not have called the game.

    And UF only got that rematch in '96-'97 because Nebraska got punked by Texas in the Big 12 Title Game.

    Also, wire-to-wire #1, 1999.

    FSU Football. Making cool the new swag since 2013.

    gonoles2011

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    John Wooden at UCLA

    10 national championships in 12 seasons (including 7 in a row). Won 88 consecutive games.

    coffee

    sure its a dynasty i mean 15 yrs in top 5 is impressive no matter how you slice it and bowden made fsu just like spurrier made uf

    lol noles fans still talkin about being sick? lol come on we kicked yalls ass it was a BEATDOWN

    This post was edited by TravisFLAx8 on 5/11/2012 at 2:04 PM

    TravisFLAx8

  • The whole championship thing is hard to compare from other sports to college football. You win, you win the championship. In CFB, you win, you don't necessarily win the championship.

    signature image signature image signature image

    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • Of course they were. Last I checked Notre Dame had more wins than Alabama did since 2000. That is not a dynasty.

    VaHorn

  • I look at dynasties being more long term. No doubt FSU was a dominant team of the '90s but so was Nebraska.

    They were what they were and a designation can't make them more important or lessen their achievements.

    signature image

    Looks like another perfect day.

    Under Review

Football Recruiting
Basketball Recruiting
Features
Resources
Connect

247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports