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Is Florida State in the 90's a true dynasty?

  • VaHorn said...

    Of course they were. Last I checked Notre Dame had more wins than Alabama did since 2000. That is not a dynasty.

    If you don't include our three seasons of forfeited wins, we still are only eight games behind ND from 2000-2011.

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  • duvalnole said...

    Did you read this thread, because we pretty much own Nebraska in the 90's in the majority of categories except titles. Plus you have to have luck to win titles, and we ran into some buzzsaws, because we played for 5 titles, but only got two. One in 96 Florida got a lucky rematch with FSU, and the majority of our team was sick. The other in 98 we lost Chirs Weinke against Tennessee, and had to go with our third string QB. In 2000 we lost our best receiver Snoop Minnis to suspension and Mark Richt had one foot out the door heading to UGA. Even Richt has admitted over the years he was not focused in that game, and should have told Bowden he should not have called the game.

    Did you read my comments? I consider dynasties to be teams that won at least 3 titles in a short time span. FSU did not do that.

    I don't consider FSU in the 90's a dynasty. They won 2 titles separated by more than a few years. Doesn't make a dynasty, IMO. You disagree, obviously.

    HADOUKEN

  • VaHorn said...

    Of course they were. Last I checked Notre Dame had more wins than Alabama did since 2000. That is not a dynasty.

    Who said anything about Alabama since 2000 being a dynasty big guy?

    Right now, Alabama is close to having a dynasty. In the past 4 seasons, Alabama is 48-6 with 2 national titles. If we win another national title in the next 3 years or so, I think that will qualify as a dynasty. That would be 3 national titles in the span of about 5-6 years...if Bama wins it again this year, it is easily a dynasty. FSU has everything but the titles but to me that's the biggest part of a dynasty and without it...no dynasty. It just depends on how you define it.

    HADOUKEN

  • RTR13 said...

    Did you read my comments? I consider dynasties to be teams that won at least 3 titles in a short time span. FSU did not do that.

    I don't consider FSU in the 90's a dynasty. They won 2 titles separated by more than a few years. Doesn't make a dynasty, IMO. You disagree, obviously.

    Yes I disagree with you along with most his thread and the media.

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  • duvalnole said...

    Yes I disagree with you along with most his thread and the media.

    I'm ok with that.

    HADOUKEN

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    John Wooden at UCLA

    10 national championships in 12 seasons (including 7 in a row). Won 88 consecutive games.

    coffee

    Bulls 6 in 7yrs

    #winning

    MrCrimson33306

  • nebraska 95 might be the best team of all time the way they destroyed us in the 95 title game and we had a pretty damn good squad lol

    TravisFLAx8

  • Mr.Crimson said...

    Bulls 6 in 7yrs

    Bill Russell: 11 in 13 years. coffee

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  • VaHorn said...

    Of course they were. Last I checked Notre Dame had more wins than Alabama did since 2000. That is not a dynasty.

    true, sorta.

    since 2000, bama is 101-52, but officially only 80-52 since they forfeit 21 games for textbook deal. bama also had to deal with (deserving, but still harsh) penalties.

    since 2000, nd is 86-62. and only excuse is they suck.

    besides, who in the hell is trying to argue either of those were decent/good teams for 2000-2009 decade, much less a dynasty of the likes of fsu/neb 90's?

    theharbinater

  • Hold up...

    Duke isn't a dynasty?

    Going to 7 Final Fours in 9 years isn't a dynasty?

    Going to 4 National Championship Games in 5 years isn't a dynasty? Winning 2 of those isn't enough?

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  • Mr.Crimson said...

    Bulls 6 in 7yrs

    6 in 8 years.

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  • Since you Noles are to humble to post...

    I give you - FSU in the '90s!

    1990: 10-2
    1991: 11-2
    1992: 11-1 (ACC Champions)
    1993: 12-1 (National Champions, ACC Champions)
    1994: 10-1-1 (ACC Champions)
    1995: 10-2 (ACC Champions)
    1996: 11-1 (ACC Champions)
    1997: 11-1 (ACC Champions)
    1998: 11-2 (ACC Champions)
    1999: 12-0 (National Champions, ACC Champions)

    109-13-1

    It also bears noting that during this period, FSU played Florida and Miami every year OOC.

    Florida during this period was 102-22-1, won 1 National Championship, 5 SEC Championships, and accounted for 4 of FSU's losses and the 1 tie.

    Miami during this period was 92-27, won 1 National Championship, 5 Big East Championships, and accounted for 4 of FSU's losses.

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  • Mr. Blonde said...

    It also bears noting that during this period, FSU played Florida and Miami every year OOC.

    Florida during this period was 102-22-1, won 1 National Championship, 5 SEC Championships, and accounted for 4 of FSU's losses and the 1 tie.

    Miami during this period was 92-27, won 1 National Championship, 5 Big East Championships, and accounted for 4 of FSU's losses.

    We played more than just them too OOC

    In the 93' National Championship year we went to South Bend to play ND, played them again in 94'

    Michigan at the Big House in 91'

    in 1990 we played LSU and Auburn ( not sure how good they were but still )

    Then if you include Bowl Games we played just about everybody who was worth a shit during these times

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  • No FSU was playing inferior teams. Nebraska was playing a fairly stout schedule. I give the edge to Nebraska. On paper is when you use stats. On the field you compare opponents. It has been debated many times that it is easier for a lesser team to rise to the top 1 a year than to do it consistently for a season. Nebraska had a tougher road to hoe, in my opinion.

    My definition of a dynasty would be complete dominance. 3 titles in a row, or at least contention. (No Bama fans your 2010 season doesn't count.) Top 3-5 for 4 -5 years in a row. Consistent record for 8-10 years(no worse than 9-3 record over that span)

    Warstache

  • Warstache said...

    No FSU was playing inferior teams. Nebraska was playing a fairly stout schedule. I give the edge to Nebraska. On paper is when you use stats. On the field you compare opponents. It has been debated many times that it is easier for a lesser team to rise to the top 1 a year than to do it consistently for a season. Nebraska had a tougher road to hoe, in my opinion.

    My definition of a dynasty would be complete dominance. 3 titles in a row, or at least contention. (No Bama fans your 2010 season doesn't count.) Top 3-5 for 4 -5 years in a row. Consistent record for 8-10 years(no worse than 9-3 record over that span)

    If we go undefeated and win another championship in 2012, almost everyone will call us a dynasty. Sorry butthurt guy.

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  • Warstache said...

    No FSU was playing inferior teams. Nebraska was playing a fairly stout schedule. I give the edge to Nebraska. On paper is when you use stats. On the field you compare opponents. It has been debated many times that it is easier for a lesser team to rise to the top 1 a year than to do it consistently for a season. Nebraska had a tougher road to hoe, in my opinion.

    My definition of a dynasty would be complete dominance. 3 titles in a row, or at least contention.

    lol This whole post is shit but winning 3 titles in a row... or at least contention ? so.... 14 years in row of contention then isn't a dynasty ? and Nebraska never won 3 in a row so.... or right you contended.... now I see why you added that in there, so Nebraska could benefit from it

    My definition of you is you haven't a clue

    Nebraska did not have a tougher road to hoe and that was clear by the fact that 6 out of the 8 times they played FSU they lost

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 5/11/2012 at 4:05 PM

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  • Warstache said...

    My definition of a dynasty would be complete dominance. 3 titles in a row, or at least contention. (No Bama fans your 2010 season doesn't count.) Top 3-5 for 4 -5 years in a row. Consistent record for 8-10 years(no worse than 9-3 record over that span)

    So by your definition aren't we a dynasty then?

    We dominated with top 5 finishes for 14 years straight
    We contended for 3 straight championship games (UT, VT, OU)
    We had 8-10 years with no worse than 9-3

    Terrible flame and I am sorry I contributed to this thread.

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  • Warstache said...

    No FSU was playing inferior teams. Nebraska was playing a fairly stout schedule. I give the edge to Nebraska. On paper is when you use stats. On the field you compare opponents. It has been debated many times that it is easier for a lesser team to rise to the top 1 a year than to do it consistently for a season. Nebraska had a tougher road to hoe, in my opinion.

    My definition of a dynasty would be complete dominance. 3 titles in a row, or at least contention. (No Bama fans your 2010 season doesn't count.) Top 3-5 for 4 -5 years in a row. Consistent record for 8-10 years(no worse than 9-3 record over that span)

    i provided the stats earlier in this thread, but fsu played a tougher schedule.

    they played more year end top25 opp, and did better against them.

    same thing for bowl opp.

    here it is again.

    vs bowl teams:
    1. Florida St. (49-13-1)--0.78571
    2. Nebraska (39-14-1)--0.73148

    fsu played the 2nd most bowl opponent in nation at 63
    neb wasn't in top 25 for nation for most bowl opp at 54

    vs top 25 (year end rank) opp:
    1. Florida St. (38-12-1)--0.75490
    2. Nebraska (28-15-1)--0.64773

    fsu played 2nd most year end ranked teams at 51
    neb was 11th at 44

    and for good measure:

    fsu played most top 10 year end ranked opp (by 5 games, that's almost 20% of total games vs top 10), and had highest win% in nation vs those opp.
    neb played 6th most, had 2nd best win%.

    1. Florida 30-(12-17-1)--0.41667
    2. Notre Dame 25-(7-17-1)--0.30000
    3. Michigan 24-(11-12-1)--0.47917
    4. Florida St. 23-(12-10-1)--0.54348
    4. Tennessee 23-(8-14-1)--0.36957
    6. Nebraska 21-(11-10-0)--0.52381

    vs top 5:

    1. Florida 19-(7-11-1)--0.39474
    2. Florida St. 14-(6-8-0)--0.42857
    2. Miami (FL) 14-(5-9-0)--0.35714
    2. Tennessee 14-(3-10-1)--0.25000
    5. Iowa 12-(0-12-0)--0.00000
    6. Michigan 11-(3-7-1)--0.31818
    6. Nebraska 11-(3-8-0)--0.27273

    fsu easily had highest win% vs top 5 opp, but played 2nd most in nation.

    vs bcs conf opp:

    1. Florida St. (95-13-1)--0.87615
    2. Nebraska (92-16-1)--0.84862

    both tied for 3rd most bcs conf opp, with fsu being better against them.

    vs opp with winning record (>.500):
    1. Florida St. 78-(64-13-1)--0.82692
    33. Nebraska 63-(47-15-1)--0.75397

    fsu and neb are 1/2 in win% vs opp with winning record, but this is sorted by # of opp faced with winning record. fsu #1, neb 33rd.

    vs opp with .750+ win%:
    1. Florida St. (28-10-1)--0.73077
    3. Nebraska (20-12-0)--0.62500

    fsu played 2nd most in nation
    neb played 13th most

    .

    any way you slice it, fsu played as tough, or tougher, than anyone else in nation, including nebraska.

    and they did better against the toughest competition than everyone else did against weaker (or at best, equal) competition.

    if that isn't domination i don't know what is. and if that isn't a dynasty, there isn't one in cfb.

    theharbinater

  • I gave several examples of what i thought of as dynasties and what i thought what were not dynasties. Dominating your conference is one thing but being a true dynasty is another. Even my hard core Nole friends don't even consider it a dynasty. On top of that, former Nole players I know say that it wasn't either.

    klong2005

  • klong2005 said... Even my hard core Nole friends don't even consider it a dynasty. On top of that, former Nole players I know say that it wasn't either.

    roflmaoroflmaoroflmao

    Fact is the NCAA recognize it as one of the 8 or 12 college football dynasties

    You and your friends opinions on the matter don't change that fact so who gives a shit ? it was a dynasty, no matter what you say there are many that think and was and its been cemented into the record books as one, end of story

    In 100 years some asshole will read about it being one of the great dynasties in college football, and nobody will remember what your opinion of it was

    Also using the whole " my friend the ex-player " thing is gay, most players I knew were retarded as shit off the field and I certainly wouldn't care what their opinion was.... concerning anything, not just football

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  • klong2005 said...

    I gave several examples of what i thought of as dynasties and what i thought what were not dynasties. Dominating your conference is one thing but being a true dynasty is another. Even my hard core Nole friends don't even consider it a dynasty. On top of that, former Nole players I know say that it wasn't either.

    I was determined that I was not going to bite but this.........lol

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  • klong2005 said...

    I gave several examples of what i thought of as dynasties and what i thought what were not dynasties. Dominating your conference is one thing but being a true dynasty is another. Even my hard core Nole friends don't even consider it a dynasty. On top of that, former Nole players I know say that it wasn't either.

    But you failed. FSU and Nebraska met three times in the 90's:

    1990 Fiesta Bowl FSU 41 Nebraska 17
    1993 Orange Bowl FSU 27 Nebraska 14
    1994 Orange Bowl FSU 18 Nebraska 16

    GANoles93

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    I laughed..... You sucked in '95.

    yea nebraska stomped us i know but im calling them best ever so stfu please

    let me guess 01 canes? yall had some trouble that yr

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  • GANoles93 said...

    But you failed. FSU and Nebraska met three times in the 90's:

    1990 Fiesta Bowl FSU 41 Nebraska 17
    1993 Orange Bowl FSU 27 Nebraska 14
    1994 Orange Bowl FSU 18 Nebraska 16

    I was about to say that... he pretty much says the only difference is Nebraska has 3 titles and we have 2... but head to head and most wins, win %, and so forth all favor FSU... I say this makes it game,set,match......

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  • FSU finished in the top 5 14 consecutive seasons.

    The closest a team has come to that that i know of is USC who did it 7 years in a row...and they got caught cheating and were forced to disregard many of those wins after the fact.

    I dont see how anyone could honestly NOT consider that to be a dynasty. Believe whatever you want, but you just sound like a fool taking that stance.

    FSU was the team of the 90's. Nebraska was amazing in the 90's as well and would take the cake had they had that run any other decade...but the 90's belonged to FSU.

    TNoles813