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Is Notre Dame/Southern Cal really a rivalry?

  • Don't get me wrong. Its a great series. Multiple national titles and Heismans. Many years with national title implications. Very high profile. I get all that.

    But if Notre Dame wins Saturday, how many Southern Call fans really care? Sure you hate to lose and you always want to beat a great team. But does the So Cal fan have to go into work Monday and be subjected to trash talk all day from ND fans? Does he get constant reminders of it for the next 364 days? Does he have to see Notre Dame fans walking around with T shirts about the game? Does he get on Facebook and see his news feed flooded with people making fun of So Cal? Is there constant trash talk every other week of the year? Does he follow ND sports regularly for the sole purpose of being able to talk trash about them?

    My guess is no. Notre Dame/So Cal is a HUGE game and will always draw big TV numbers. But at the end of the day, the outcome of the game doesn't affect the daily lives of the fans, and for that reason it will never truly be a "rivalry"

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  • No, it isn't a real rivalry. Notre Dame and USC fans actually love eachother. True story.

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  • It's not a rivalry, it's the annual Overrated Bowl.

    alley_bammer

  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    No, it isn't a real rivalry. Notre Dame and USC fans actually love eachother. True story.

    I wouldn't say that. My dad went to SC and hates ND. There is respect there, but there is hate as well. The distance makes it less intense, but it's there, IMO.

    BetterOff

  • joetheogre said...

    Don't get me wrong. Its a great series. Multiple national titles and Heismans. Many years with national title implications. Very high profile. I get all that.

    But if Notre Dame wins Saturday, how many Southern Call fans really care? Sure you hate to lose and you always want to beat a great team. But does the So Cal fan have to go into work Monday and be subjected to trash talk all day from ND fans? Does he get constant reminders of it for the next 364 days? Does he have to see Notre Dame fans walking around with T shirts about the game? Does he get on Facebook and see his news feed flooded with people making fun of So Cal? Is there constant trash talk every other week of the year? Does he follow ND sports regularly for the sole purpose of being able to talk trash about them?

    My guess is no. Notre Dame/So Cal is a HUGE game and will always draw big TV numbers. But at the end of the day, the outcome of the game doesn't affect the daily lives of the fans, and for that reason it will never truly be a "rivalry"

    Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

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  • *buys spike 80DF, realizes there's not enough Bama in me, throws it away*

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    *buys spike 80DF, realizes there's not enough Bama in me, throws it away*

    lol

    BetterOff

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

    He actually makes some great points. USC fans, if they lose, go on about their lives as if nothing happened. They don't live, work, hang out with a bunch of ND fans. Hell, I bet most ND fans have never encountered a real USC fan in person. Their campuses are on separate sides of the country. Nah, not a real rivalry.

    If we lose Saturday, I'll have to skip Thanksgiving and probably Christmas as my mom's side of the family are all AU fans. I won't be able to get on any social media. Going to dinner/bars will probably be out for a while. Work will suck. Bama fans will never, ever hear the end of it.

    Thankfully, it isn't happening.

    HADOUKEN

  • RTR13 said...

    He actually makes some great points. USC fans, if they lose, go on about their lives as if nothing happened. They don't live, work, hang out with a bunch of ND fans. Hell, I bet most ND fans have never encountered a real USC fan in person. Their campuses are on separate sides of the country. Nah, not a real rivalry.

    If we lose Saturday, I'll have to skip Thanksgiving and probably Christmas as my mom's side of the family are all AU fans. I won't be able to get on any social media. Going to dinner/bars will probably be out for a while. Work will suck. Bama fans will never, ever hear the end of it.

    Thankfully, it isn't happening.

    This is probably one of the least informed posts I've ever read. You sound like a fan who has been watching college football since maybe 2000 and think it didn't exist earlier. Losing to ucla hurt, losing to ucla and Notre Dame kills.

    The world doesn't revolve around Tuscaloosa and Auburn as much as you would like to think it does.

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  • Under Review said...

    This is probably one of the least informed posts I've ever read. You sound like a fan who has been watching college football since maybe 2000 and think it didn't exist earlier. Losing to ucla hurt, losing to ucla and Notre Dame kills.

    The world doesn't revolve around Tuscaloosa and Auburn as much as you would like to think it does.

    You didn't even refute was he said, which is probably correct.

    You are probably subjected to taunting on twitter though... scared

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  • I don't do twitter so sorry no taunting...

    If you want it refuted for your and his education then consider the fact that it is the one game Notre Dame always points to on it's schedule every year since 1926. Consider Los Angeles is 31% Catholic and has over 30 Catholic High Schools. Consider there is a game trophy the Shileghlie which has been presented to the winning team for over 50 years. The winner of this game holds not only national bragging rights because of the unique intersectional rivalry but also religious bragging rights.

    This rivalry has been great when Alabama and Auburn were afterthoughts on the college schedule and will be in the future.

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  • Under Review said...

    This is probably one of the least informed posts I've ever read. You sound like a fan who has been watching college football since maybe 2000 and think it didn't exist earlier. Losing to ucla hurt, losing to ucla and Notre Dame kills.

    The world doesn't revolve around Tuscaloosa and Auburn as much as you would like to think it does.

    I'm not one to get into the whole alum/non-alum BS, but I'd be shocked if more than 10% of each school's most die hard component of their fan base actually went to school there.

    PTCcock195

  • Not only is it a Rivalry, it is without a doubt the best Rivalry in the entire nation. There is a mutual respect between the programs, both have a strong history, both are top tier academic institutions, both have beaten each other more than any other team in the nation.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • hell no

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  • joetheogre said...

    But if Notre Dame wins Saturday, how many Southern Call fans really care?

    Coming from a student at USC, I'm hoping that Bama, Bama beats them in the MNCG if the Trojans can't get it done.

    I'm speaking for myself only. The last thing I want is for ND to be back. 10 win seasons are okay as long as they lose to us and lose their bowl game.

    USC/ND is much more meaningful than USC/UCLA in football (although Saturday did hurt).

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  • Under Review said...

    I don't do twitter so sorry no taunting...

    If you want it refuted for your and his education then consider the fact that it is the one game Notre Dame always points to on it's schedule every year since 1926. Consider Los Angeles is 31% Catholic and has over 30 Catholic High Schools. Consider there is a game trophy the Shileghlie which has been presented to the winning team for over 50 years. The winner of this game holds not only national bragging rights because of the unique intersectional rivalry but also religious bragging rights.

    This rivalry has been great when Alabama and Auburn were afterthoughts on the college schedule and will be in the future.

    Dude...weak. My argument has nothing to do with the strength of each program. Everyone knows both are top 5 all time (even though ND has sucked for much of the past 20 years and USC blew in the 90's, y'all aren't as perpetually good as you think either). My point is you don't live with each other everyday so pretending like it's some heated rivalry is bogus. Where is it heated? On message boards? In the comments section in ESPN articles?

    We also have a trophy, most rivalries do, nobody cares. Don't try to tell me just because LA has a lot of Catholics that they're all ND fans. Most people in LA don't care about USC let alone ND.

    And no, you don't hold national bragging rights for winning that game. That's the most arrogant (as well as ignorant) thing I've ever read on here. National bragging rights go to the national champion...which the Iron Bowl winner has produced the last 3 years and has the chance to produce again this year.

    HADOUKEN

  • Under Review said...

    This is probably one of the least informed posts I've ever read. You sound like a fan who has been watching college football since maybe 2000 and think it didn't exist earlier. Losing to ucla hurt, losing to ucla and Notre Dame kills.

    The world doesn't revolve around Tuscaloosa and Auburn as much as you would like to think it does.

    Can't believe I am doing it but a +1. I get tired of some fans thinking that no quality football happens outside the south. There is plenty of passion in this rivalry. A lot of distance, yes, but great history to this game. That is undeniable.

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    nbennyboy

  • RTR13 said...

    He actually makes some great points. USC fans, if they lose, go on about their lives as if nothing happened. They don't live, work, hang out with a bunch of ND fans. Hell, I bet most ND fans have never encountered a real USC fan in person. Their campuses are on separate sides of the country. Nah, not a real rivalry.

    Thats kind of what I am getting at. It is a great series, but its not as if Notre Dame fans encounter a lot of So Cal fans on a daily basis. Alabama fans deal with Auburn every day, Same with Oregon/Oregon St, Ohio St/Michigan, Michigan/Michigan St, UF/FSU, etc.

    Its a great series, but not a "rivalry".

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  • I think the fact that its a rivalry that survives and thrives despite the 2000 mile distance between schools is proof that its MORE of a real rivalry than the one sided South Carolina/Clemson or Alabama/Auburn borefests that some people on the board talk up so much.

    Its interesting that Southern California considers Notre Dame to be their chief rival, despite UCLA being right there in town, and Notre Dame considers Southern Cal to be its chief rival, despite Michigan and Michigan State almost always being on their schedule. When it came time for Notre Dame to knock a team off the schedule, it was Michigan, not USC that got the boot.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    I think the fact that its a rivalry that survives and thrives despite the 2000 mile distance between schools is proof that its MORE of a real rivalry than the one sided South Carolina/Clemson or Alabama/Auburn borefests that some people on the board talk up so much.

    Its interesting that Southern California considers Notre Dame to be their chief rival, despite UCLA being right there in town, and Notre Dame considers Southern Cal to be its chief rival, despite Michigan and Michigan State almost always being on their schedule. When it came time for Notre Dame to knock a team off the schedule, it was Michigan, not USC that got the boot.

    Intelligent points. Knew instantly you werent a Bama fan because, like I said, there were intelligent points

    beeds7

  • RTR13 said...

    Dude...weak. My argument has nothing to do with the strength of each program. Everyone knows both are top 5 all time (even though ND has sucked for much of the past 20 years and USC blew in the 90's, y'all aren't as perpetually good as you think either). My point is you don't live with each other everyday so pretending like it's some heated rivalry is bogus. Where is it heated? On message boards? In the comments section in ESPN articles?

    We also have a trophy, most rivalries do, nobody cares. Don't try to tell me just because LA has a lot of Catholics that they're all ND fans. Most people in LA don't care about USC let alone ND.

    And no, you don't hold national bragging rights for winning that game. That's the most arrogant (as well as ignorant) thing I've ever read on here. National bragging rights go to the national champion...which the Iron Bowl winner has produced the last 3 years and has the chance to produce again this year.

    Ok, hold on a second here. Are we going to get into down stretches. Yes, ND absolutely has had a decade plus of disappointment, no doubt. But do you forget your beloved tide before Saban came along? A model of inconsistency and disappointment. But this thread is about rivalries.
    This year does anyone care about the Iron Bowl outside of AL? I doubt it, auburn is terrible, although that will probably be short lived. But it is nonetheless a bitter rivalry. That is ND/USC as well. It is not always a matchup of top 25 teams, but I would like to see how many rivalries have more top 25 meetings, but it is always a great rivalry. You may not get it, not being a fan, but it is a great rivalry.

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    nbennyboy

  • nbennyboy said...

    Ok, hold on a second here. Are we going to get into down stretches. Yes, ND absolutely has had a decade plus of disappointment, no doubt. But do you forget your beloved tide before Saban came along? A model of inconsistency and disappointment. But this thread is about rivalries. This year does anyone care about the Iron Bowl outside of AL? I doubt it, auburn is terrible, although that will probably be short lived. But it is nonetheless a bitter rivalry. That is ND/USC as well. It is not always a matchup of top 25 teams, but I would like to see how many rivalries have more top 25 meetings, but it is always a great rivalry. You may not get it, not being a fan, but it is a great rivalry.

    There are very few actual rivalries between all time top true blue bloods. You have Texas and Oklahoma.....and USC and Notre Dame. And thats it.

    Florida and Florida State is close, except they were both terrible for the majority of their time as rivals. Alabama and Auburn is close, except Auburn is just not an elite all time program.

    What else is out there that yearly pits two top tier programs and could be considered a real rivalry?

    AlwaysMore

  • Under Review said...

    I don't do twitter so sorry no taunting...

    If you want it refuted for your and his education then consider the fact that it is the one game Notre Dame always points to on it's schedule every year since 1926. Consider Los Angeles is 31% Catholic and has over 30 Catholic High Schools. Consider there is a game trophy the Shileghlie which has been presented to the winning team for over 50 years. The winner of this game holds not only national bragging rights because of the unique intersectional rivalry but also religious bragging rights.

    This rivalry has been great when Alabama and Auburn were afterthoughts on the college schedule and will be in the future.

    If Notre Dame beats So Cal Saturday, how much flack are you going to catch from your dozens of Notre Dame fan friends?

    Exactly.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    I think the fact that its a rivalry that survives and thrives despite the 2000 mile distance between schools is proof that its MORE of a real rivalry than the one sided South Carolina/Clemson or Alabama/Auburn borefests that some people on the board talk up so much.

    Its interesting that Southern California considers Notre Dame to be their chief rival, despite UCLA being right there in town, and Notre Dame considers Southern Cal to be its chief rival, despite Michigan and Michigan State almost always being on their schedule. When it came time for Notre Dame to knock a team off the schedule, it was Michigan, not USC that got the boot.

    Auburn and Alabama are separated by 9-10 games dumb ass.
    USC and Clemson are more like 30.

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  • A rivalry is as big as a fan wants to make it. I love the Iron Bowl, but as a Bama fan, I prefer the 3rd Saturday in October. This whole telling people their rivalry isn't real is real stupid. How would you know if you're not involved?

    ND/USC is a huge game for both schools and yes, there are more ND fans in So Cal than people think as well. I think the UCLA game for most Trojan fans is a tougher one to lose based off location as well, but not a bigger win.

    I've been to some others that would surprise people as well. You think people in Alabama, Oregon, or South Carolina have little to do in the Fall outside of football? Try Mississippi. The freaking Egg Bowl is insane. Think about it. More than half of their existance, neither of these teams have had anything except one game to play for all year. Game means nothing, except to those involved.

    BetterOff

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