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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    The fact that there is a poster ITT that doesn't know the definition of 'leading question' is scary.

    Like you hoss?

    Every question was closed-ended.

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  • I don't see what's so complicated about it... he's a Muslim Jew. And also an atheist, which I'm pretty sure makes him a Scientologist.

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    Next question.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Out of recession, terrorists killed, less american lives lost, better environmental standards, more gay rights, saved US auto industry, improved strength of the dollar, good effort in Libya,

    We are only out of a recession in the technical sense and are barely hanging on to that. The dollar is only higher relative to other currencies because the Fed has recently paused monetizing the debt and because the Euro is on its deathbed sending investors fleeing to the Dollar. Libya has backfired and will prove to be a major mistake going forward.

    As to the OP's question. He is none of those things, but he is an ideologue and doesn't have a pragmatic bone in his body. Presidents need to be flexible and able to deal with the world how it is, all the while trying to improve it through their efforts where they can.

    Obama, on the other hand, has his vision for how he wants the world to be and operates only within that vision, completely ignoring reality sometimes. He is incapable of adjusting or making decisions that don't fit his often flawed world view. He is also partisan to his very core, and that is a sign of a weak leader. It's been awhile since we have had a truly pragmatic President, but Obama is the worst at not being so.

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  • i'll answer the first two because they're the most laughable.

    Obama a socialist or communist? LOL PUT DOWN THE FOX NEWS! You sound dumb when you call him a socialist or communist, and i will immediately ignore your points even though they may be valid

    Is he muslim or atheist? Who gives a flying fuck as long as he treats them all equally? The only religion problem comes from republicans. Religion =/= morality.

    RonakPat

  • Wendel Clark said...

    Out of recession, terrorists killed, less american lives lost, better environmental standards, more gay rights, saved US auto industry, improved strength of the dollar, good effort in Libya,

    Not sure if serious

    cuznchips28

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I need help my right-wing friends.

    -Is Obama a socialist or a communist?

    -Is Obama a radical black Christian, a Mulsim or an atheist?

    -Is Obama a bumbling,incompetent fool or a diabolical tyrant scheming away your country?

    -Is the individual mandate an oppressive move towards socialism or an ingenious method proposed by the Heritage foundation and endorsed by Romney,Gingrich to increase the number of insured Americans and reduce the number of free-riders?

    Thanks in advance!

    1) He is a marxist! 2) radical black christian ( he went to rev. Wright church for 20 yrs.) 3) he is a tyrant trying to ruin this country. Make no mistake. He knows what he is doing. 4) the heritage foundation, gingrich, & rommney all have changed their minds on the "TAX".

    lestat

  • A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average
    in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase.

    The number of food
    stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to
    43,200,878, a 35.1% jump.

    Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same
    32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering hope and change isn't
    it?

    American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to
    43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000
    to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011.

    The number of unemployed blacks has risen
    from 12.6% at the end of George Bush's term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase.

    And finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278
    trillion*

    Sources:

    U.S. Energy Information Administration

    Wall Street Journal

    Bureau of Labor Statistics

    US Dept of Labor

    Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller

    Federal Reserve

    US Treasury

    Heritage Foundation.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I need help my right-wing friends.

    -Is Obama a socialist or a communist?

    -Is Obama a radical black Christian, a Mulsim or an atheist?

    -Is Obama a bumbling,incompetent fool or a diabolical tyrant scheming away your country?

    -Is the individual mandate an oppressive move towards socialism or an ingenious method proposed by the Heritage foundation and endorsed by Romney,Gingrich to increase the number of insured Americans and reduce the number of free-riders?

    Thanks in advance!

    I don't think he thinks he's a socialist, and the label might not be completely fair to him although I'm not sure you can deny that the tendencies are there. I think he thinks he's a true American who wants to help America "evolve" into something better. He doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, as is the mantra of modern liberals who see America as more of a boogie man in the world rather than a benefit to it. Obama's heart is with Islam, in deference to his father, which would be natural. However, he does seem to have been affected somewhat by his time at church. I think the social gospel he's found in the church he attends resonates with him even if it's not the complete and pure gospel. I don't think he's a bumbling fool by any means, rather I think he's an intelligent man. I do think he sees himself as the initiator of helping move America into a Kumbaya, one world, everyone gets along, type of government and worldview. He's not trying to be a selfish tyrant, but he's so blinded by his partially correct view of what's wrong, that he's beginning to unwittingly act something like a tyrant. The individual mandate has a good heart behind it but is incredibly naive regarding the economics of our country and our current realities. It isn't the answer.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average
    in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase.

    The number of food
    stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to
    43,200,878, a 35.1% jump.

    Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same
    32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering hope and change isn't
    it?

    American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to
    43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000
    to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011.

    The number of unemployed blacks has risen
    from 12.6% at the end of George Bush's term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase.

    And finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278
    trillion*

    Sources:

    U.S. Energy Information Administration

    Wall Street Journal

    Bureau of Labor Statistics

    US Dept of Labor

    Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller

    Federal Reserve

    US Treasury

    Heritage Foundation.

    It's obviously Bush's fault. There cannot be any other logical reason or your numbers don't really mean what they glaringly say that they mean.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average
    in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase.

    The number of food
    stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to
    43,200,878, a 35.1% jump.

    Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same
    32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering hope and change isn't
    it?

    American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to
    43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000
    to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011.

    The number of unemployed blacks has risen
    from 12.6% at the end of George Bush's term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase.

    And finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278
    trillion*

    Sources:

    U.S. Energy Information Administration

    Wall Street Journal

    Bureau of Labor Statistics

    US Dept of Labor

    Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller

    Federal Reserve

    US Treasury

    Heritage Foundation.

    Though your facts were wrong but I looked it up and gas was much cheaper.

    This post was edited by flaboy954 on 7/2/2012 at 9:24 AM

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  • the private sector is doing fine

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  • flaboy954 said...

    You are an idiot if you believe gas was 1.79 on average during inauguration. Starting off with lunacy like that leads me to ignore the rest of your arguments.

    Google is your friend

    Average gas prices--January 19, 2009

    Gasoline prices continue toThe national gasoline average is now about a $1.17 below the price this time last year. Diesel...

    news.consumerreports.org

    cuznchips28

  • The prices were all over the place and I did go ahead and look it up and I'll admit the prices were much lower than I expected (1.87 range). I stand corrected the prices were much longer in the overall picture.

    flaboy954

  • Dawg E. Style said...

    A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase.

    The number of food stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to 43,200,878, a 35.1% jump.

    Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same 32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering hope and change isn't it?

    American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to 43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000 to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011.

    The number of unemployed blacks has risen from 12.6% at the end of George Bush's term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase.

    And finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278 trillion*

    Sources:

    U.S. Energy Information Administration

    Wall Street Journal

    Bureau of Labor Statistics

    US Dept of Labor

    Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller

    Federal Reserve

    US Treasury

    Heritage Foundation.

    1. Gas prices are an incredibly misleading statistic. The $1.79 price on the day Obama was inaugurated represented an unprecedented massive drop in fuel prices, not any sort of concerted policy. That $1.79 was down from a high of $4.22 that had occurred only 7 months earlier under Bush. Source: See GasBuddy link.

    2. George W. Bush oversaw the largest increase in food stamp recipients ever, as 14.7 million new recipients were added during his terms in office. Obama reached a high of 14.2 million in October 2011, but the number has been steadily declining ever since, and now sits at the figure you cited of 11.3 million. Source: See linked USA Today article.

    3. The rise in long term unemployment is misleading. Obama was handed a terrible situation, as the economy was tanking right as he took office. He has done his best to stanch the bleeding, as is evidenced by this chart showing the number of jobs added/lost during the Bush/Obama presidencies. Jobs don't grow on trees, and the first step in a recovery is stopping the hemorrhaging. Obama has done exactly that. See linked Business Insider article.

    4. As for national debt, Bush presided over nearly a 100% increase in the national debt, as it rose from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion. In addition, Bush's policies have hamstrung Obama's ability to fight the rising debt. Bush's major programs are responsible for nearly $5.1 trillion of additional debt,whereas Obama's policies have added less than a trillion dollars to the national debt. Source: see linked Washington Post article.

    Finally, anyone can type up a source list. Unless you actually link or somehow show your sources, your entire post is unreliable.

    Gas Price Historical Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

    http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us

    www.GasBuddy.com

    Fact check: Gingrich's faulty food-stamp claim – USATODAY.com

    More people were put on food stamps under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures.

    www.usatoday.com

    Here's The One Unemployment Chart Obama Will Use To Win Reelection - Business Insider

    When President Obama makes his pitch to voters next year on why they should elect him to a second term, he'll likely point to some version of this chart. What the following chart shows is that Obama

    articles.businessinsider.com

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post

    Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama, and how much was caused by the s major policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion.

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  • They don't need facts! I'm surprised anyone still pretends it matters who is president or who is in what party. Just look towards policies on both sides, it's all about which corporation is going to contribute the most to the campaign. No politician is looking out for your best interest. At least Obama feigns care, Romney is not even going to give us that. My only hope left is that Obama has just been waiting for 2nd term to make some moves. At least I longer have to listen to Glenn Beck, he is my free kill. If they really cared about the people they would stop strict partisan voting.

    Besides Romney is going to enable SkyNet:
    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/405970/january-16-2012/colbert-super-pac---mitt-romney-attack-ad

    dinkmctip

  • dinkmctip said...

    They don't need facts! I'm surprised anyone still pretends it matters who is president or who is in what party. Just look towards policies on both sides, it's all about which corporation is going to contribute the most to the campaign. No politician is looking out for your best interest. At least Obama feigns care, Romney is not even going to give us that. My only hope left is that Obama has just been waiting for 2nd term to make some moves. At least I longer have to listen to Glenn Beck, he is my free kill. If they really cared about the people they would stop strict partisan voting.

    Besides Romney is going to enable SkyNet: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/405970/january-16-2012/colbert-super-pac---mitt-romney-attack-ad

    +1. Until Citizens United is overturned and we get corporate money out of politics, it will barely matter which party is in power, 95% of the American public will get completely boned.

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  • 1-I am socialist...really
    2-Why does he have to be radical because he is black...bigot...
    3-Why do people blame problems on the person trying to clean up the mess... when your dog shits on the carpet do you blame the person cleaning it up? And how long do you think it takes to get shit out of carpet? Honestly did you really expect him to fix everything. Honestly I want to know where in your life has stuff became different that you can say Obama did this to our country and I know it? Or are you listening to your party oriented news channel believing everything they say? lol silly Americans... You don't have any idea what is going on in our country. You know how people knew something was wrong during the depression? Trust me the problems we have are not because of Obama and I don't blame them on Bush except for a bunch of stupid choices that had easy fixes. As far as the Economic issues blame that crap on Reagan. Trickle down ideals don't work. Its a high gain high loss market with that. How has trickle down economics helped us? Are the poor people richer now? Nope... It will take a long time to fix this and honestly the US really needs to stop with this 4 yr term crap and just do a straight 8 years because how will you know if a policy works if it takes 4 years to get it in and you never see the results? Stupid politics makes for stupid government. People listen to the media and think everything they say is right because that is what they want to hear. O the big bad black man politician who is on the left side is not doing his job. How do you know?

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  • RonakPat said...

    i'll answer the first two because they're the most laughable.

    Obama a socialist or communist? LOL PUT DOWN THE FOX NEWS! You sound dumb when you call him a socialist or communist, and i will immediately ignore your points even though they may be valid

    Is he muslim or atheist? Who gives a flying fuck as long as he treats them all equally? The only religion problem comes from republicans. Religion =/= morality.

    Your thought process is the reason that this country is on its way out. Fox news huh.....I dont watch Fox news and I know he is a muslim and a liar. He is GBush all over again, only different. Obama was placed in office to continue the attack on the Constitution. Have you read it? Do you understand its purpose? I have said for years on these boards that the US as we know it is over, done, cooked.We have been put out to pasture! You have bought into all the lies of YOUR main stream media crap and you want to condemn others for the same thing. You are all fools and will have some explaining to do to your children for your unwillingness to do a bit of research to find the truth. It is what it is and its too late. Taxes will continue to rise, jobs will not come back, and Federal reserve will continue to rob all of us our our $. Why is Washing DC a sovereign Nation? Why is every Gov document issued to the people in all CAPITAL LETTERS? What does LABOR OF THE LAND mean to you? My God people wake up and READ! The powers that be will continue to remove wealth from the middle class and this country will continue to spiral downward. Try reading HJR192 and HR1491 if you want to know where this countries money is. Try walking into court and telling a judge that your Constitional Rights have been violated....He may just throw you in jail....The US has no one to blame but themselves.

    This post was edited by Topspin1 on 7/2/2012 at 11:02 AM

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  • Topspin1 said...

    Your thought process is the reason that this country is on its way out. Fox news huh.....I dont watch Fox news and I know he is a muslim and a liar. He is GBush all over again, only different. Obama was placed in office to continue the attack on the Constitution. Have you read it? Do you understand its purpose? I have said for years on these boards that the US as we know it is over, done, cooked.We have been put out to pasture! You have bought into all the lies of YOUR main stream media crap and you want to condemn others for the same thing. You are all fools and will have some explaining to do to your children for your unwillingness to do a bit of research to find the truth. It is what it is and its too late. Taxes will continue to rise, jobs will not come back, and Federal reserve will continue to rob all of us our our $. Why is Washing DC a sovereign Nation? Why is every Gov document issued to the people in all CAPITAL LETTERS? My God people wake up and READ! The powers that be will continue to remove wealth from the middle class and this country will continue to spiral downward. Try reading HJR192 and HR1491 if you want to know where this countries money is. Try walking into court and telling a judge that your Constitional Rights have been violated....He may just throw you in jail....The US has no one to blame but themselves.

    U are a funny guy... And I emplore you to do as you told him. Read... assumptions are stupid to make especially not knowing what a Muslim is. Honestly, I wouldn't care if he was a Muslim as they have very similar values as we do. Unfortunately, there are radicals just like radical christians. You sound like a radical christian so you are a radical christian because I think that is what you are... don't tell me you are not because I know it. Your decision to deem him a Muslim is about as reasonable as me saying you are a radical. Lol you sound like an idiot so I'll leave you alone as you believe the US is done. I am a conspirator myself but I'm not an idiot. You sir are an idiot...

    -Read the Qu'ran... u will not find many differences in what our bible promotes... its not like its a kill christian manual.

    This post was edited by FSUTrackLoveFSU on 7/2/2012 at 11:11 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Every question was closed-ended.

    A question can be leading because of the fact that only 2 answers are allowed.

    You really aren't the smartest guy, are you? That's alright, keep blindly following Obama, he'll make things right! lol

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • CMXI said...

    1. Gas prices are an incredibly misleading statistic. The $1.79 price on the day Obama was inaugurated represented an unprecedented massive drop in fuel prices, not any sort of concerted policy. That $1.79 was down from a high of $4.22 that had occurred only 7 months earlier under Bush. Source: See GasBuddy link.

    2. George W. Bush ...

    3. ... number of jobs added/lost during the Bush/Obama presidencies. ...

    4. Bush... Bush... Bush...

    This is my #1 problem with people who back Obama. What good does it do to compare Obama's numbers against Bush?

    I get it. Obama's numbers are bad, and you don't want to let his failures stand on their own, so you compare them to Bush. "But... bush did even worse, I promise, look at the numbers!"

    Obama isn't running against Bush. He's running against Romney. Stop comparing everything to Bush.

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    A question can be leading because of the fact that only 2 answers are allowed.

    You really aren't the smartest guy, are you? That's alright, keep blindly following Obama, he'll make things right! lol

    You really aren't the smartest tool in the shed.

    This is page two and you still haven't figured out (despite the fact I told you the purpose) that the questions are set up not to be leading, but to reveal the fact that the two or more answers in each question can not occur at the same time (contradictory).

    Obama has been called a socialist and a communist, a radical Christian and an atheist and Muslim, a fool and a tyrant. Those things all can't exist at the same time.

    By the way, you don't give yourself much credit buddy when you BLINDLY assume in these threads either hoss.

    This thread is more about pointing out inconsistencies than anything to do with a love for Obama. If you have followed any other political threads, you would know that.

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    This is my #1 problem with people who back Obama. What good does it do to compare Obama's numbers against Bush?

    I get it. Obama's numbers are bad, and you don't want to let his failures stand on their own, so you compare them to Bush. "But... bush did even worse, I promise, look at the numbers!"

    Obama isn't running against Bush. He's running against Romney. Stop comparing everything to Bush.

    What good does it do? It provides context for understanding what Obama has accomplished. As I mention in my 3rd point (which you seem to have completely glossed over), Obama inherited an absolutely FUBAR situation. I point out certain numbers under Bush to emphasize how things have changed for the better under Obama. If someone says "Obama had a high of 14.2 million people on food stamps", that gives an erroneous understanding of the situation. In reality, Obama's high was already lower than the previous president, and the number of people on food stamps is trending down! This is a good thing! By providing context, we avoid the trap of simply throwing out a statistic without any true understanding of what it signifies or what it means.

    As for Obama's failures, I don't care about letting his failures stand on their own, of course he's failed in some things, anyone who would deny that is foolish. That's not even close to the reason I cite statistics under Bush. Would you have a problem with right-wing posters citing statistics under Bush as evidence that things have gotten worse under Obama?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    You really aren't the smartest tool in the shed.

    This is page two and you still haven't figured out (despite the fact I told you the purpose) that the questions are set up not to be leading, but to reveal the fact that the two or more answers in each question can not occur at the same time (contradictory).

    That is the very definition of leading. You were asking a question with specific answers, intending to LEAD the person to a result. That is LEADING. Think about it for one second, please. If you can't understand that you were trying to LEAD people to see things in a certain way, I can't help you.

    AbsenteeTrojan

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