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Is Penn State really a Blue Blood?

  • Ducksworth said...

    How does what one coach achieved mean anything? There are many other coaches who coached here and won nattys and bowl games. And how do individual accomplishments equate to team success? We have three Heismans and that's fine with me. If you count the POTY before the Heisman was made, we'd have at least 10.

    Most wins, 11 nattys, highest winning percentage, hardest SOS all-time... There's no way we're not top 3.

    Top 5, not top 3...

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  • star69 said...

    Top 5, not top 3...

    roflmao What a joke. You're right, the team with the most wins, highest winning percentage, toughest SOS, best rivalry, and 3rd most nattys is totally NOT deserving of being in the top 3. USC and Alabama are definitely more deserving loco

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  • Sorry, second most nattys. Behind Alabama.

    So ND and UM have the same number of nattys but we have more wins, better winning percentage, better SOS, and you think you're #1 and we're "top 5"? You're actually hilarious. Please give me your reasoning for us being 4th or 5th.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    Please give me your reasoning for us being 4th or 5th.

    When did you win those NC's?

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    When did you win those NC's?

    1901-1904, 1918, 1923, 1932-1933, 1947-1948, 1997.

    Yeah they were a while ago but that doesn't affect being a blue blood by definition of the term "blue blood"

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  • Ducksworth said...

    1901-1904, 1918, 1923, 1932-1933, 1947-1948, 1997.

    Yeah they were a while ago but that doesn't affect being a blue blood by definition of the term "blue blood"

    You are a blue blood, no question. You asked why he considered Michigan 4th or 5th and I provided you with an answer.

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    You are a blue blood, no question. You asked why he considered Michigan 4th or 5th and I provided you with an answer.

    It doesn't matter when our NCs are. Are you saying we decline in the ranks of blue bloods just because of when they are? That's not the definition of blue blood. Then ND wouldn't be up there either as they've been awful for almost all my life.

    1a/1b/1c. UM/ND/Alabama
    3. USC
    4. Texas
    5. Oklahoma

    JMO. The top three all have an argument to be first but those are undoubtedly the top 3 IMO.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    It doesn't matter when our NCs are.

    False. Perception is reality and most people do not give the pre-AP NCs as much weight. Michigan is hanging on by a thread because of the 8 pre-WWII NCs they count. Otherwise your program is fairly pedestrian.

    MildReTIDEation

  • Furthermore, Michgan's bowl record is below .500 (20-21) and its Rose Bowl record is dreadful (8-12).

    Now that I researched it a little bit, I think Michigan's status as Blue Blood needs to be strongly reconsidered.

    MildReTIDEation

  • Ducksworth said...

    1901-1904, 1918, 1923, 1932-1933, 1947-1948, 1997.

    Yeah they were a while ago but that doesn't affect being a blue blood by definition of the term "blue blood"

    Good lord! One title in sixty plus years, wow.. The legendary Bo was good for a big ol' fat 0.roflmao doesn't seem that legendary to me.. I'll put you guys fourth behind ND, USC, and BAMA.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    Furthermore, Michgan's bowl record is below .500 (20-21) and its Rose Bowl record is dreadful (8-12).

    Now that I researched it a little bit, I think Michigan's status as Blue Blood needs to be strongly reconsidered.

    facepalm_msu That's humorous. Good luck finding anyone that agrees with you. If Michigan isn't a blue blood, then you don't know what a blue blood is. I'm not saying we,re one of the best teams now. We're not. But we are one of the best programs of all time. Ask anyone here. Did you notice how Michigan was brought up by every single person ITT?

    And your bowl fact is stupid. NDs bowl record is 15-16.

    Michigan has dominated the SEC and had the longest bowl streak until three years ago. Plus, still the highest winning percentage and most wins.

    Pathetic troll attempt

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    False. Perception is reality and most people do not give the pre-AP NCs as much weight. Michigan is hanging on by a thread because of the 8 pre-WWII NCs they count. Otherwise your program is fairly pedestrian.

    Pedestrianlol I wouldn't go that far.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    facepalm_msu That's humorous. Good luck finding anyone that agrees with you. If Michigan isn't a blue blood, then you don't know what a blue blood is. I'm not saying we,re one of the best teams now. We're not. But we are one of the best programs of all time. Ask anyone here. Did you notice how Michigan was brought up by every single person ITT?

    And your bowl fact is stupid. NDs bowl record is 15-16.

    Michigan has dominated the SEC and had the longest bowl streak until three years ago. Plus, still the highest winning percentage and most wins.

    Pathetic troll attempt

    agreed definitely fourth..

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  • star69 said...

    agreed definitely fourth..

    moon

    I won't argue with you about that as it's purely an opinion, but I think Bama, ND, and UM are the top three and all have an argument for first. Then USC, UT, NU, and OU round out the blue bloods

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  • Ducksworth said...

    moon

    I won't argue with you about that as it's purely an opinion, but I think Bama, ND, and UM are the top three and all have an argument for first. Then USC, UT, NU, and OU round out the blue bloods

    ND, USC, BAMA, UM, OU, NU, and UT. Texas is definitely last.

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  • I think Bama has pushed past Notre dame in the past four years! Bama has won titles in the 1920,1930,1940,1960,1970,1990,2000,and 2010s that is a model of consistency.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    facepalm_msu That's humorous. Good luck finding anyone that agrees with you. If Michigan isn't a blue blood, then you don't know what a blue blood is. I'm not saying we,re one of the best teams now. We're not. But we are one of the best programs of all time. Ask anyone here. Did you notice how Michigan was brought up by every single person ITT?

    And your bowl fact is stupid. NDs bowl record is 15-16.

    Michigan has dominated the SEC and had the longest bowl streak until three years ago. Plus, still the highest winning percentage and most wins.

    Pathetic troll attempt

    Like I said, you guys are holding on by a thread. And as I stated earlier in this thread...blood lines can die out.

    Take away the questionable NC's and what are you left with? You are left with an ancient program that made its name before World War II. Michigan's trophy room is a museum full of antiques.

    You regard Michigan too highly...period.

    MildReTIDEation

  • IrishImpact said...

    Again, are we just talking titles? Consistency? Fanbase? Academic standards? Oversigning? Lower SEC standards in this era? If everything we could think of got thrown into a pot, mixed around, and pulled out, ND is the team that would come out on top. No question.

    cfbdatawarehouse.com disagrees.

    Academics have nothing to do with football. Nor does oversigning.

    Bama's latest 2 titles pushed us past ND when you consider the entire football body of work.

    Team All-Time Rankings

    http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

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    TalHawkins112

  • IrishImpact said...

    Again, are we just talking titles? Consistency? Fanbase? Academic standards? Oversigning? Lower SEC standards in this era?

    Titles, Consistency, Irrelevant, Excuse, Excuse, Excuse.....

    MildReTIDEation

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    cfbdatawarehouse.com disagrees.

    Academics have nothing to do with football. Nor does oversigning.

    Bama's latest 2 titles pushed us past ND when you consider the entire football body of work.

    That's all fine and dandy, but you don't have anywhere close to the # of AA, Heisman winners, HOF coaches, HOF's in general, or players drafted into the league.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    Explain how academics have nothing to do with football? Or off field standards? Thats my whole point. To the average SEC fan, academics come 2nd, off field standards come 2nd. Not trying to make fun of the SEC that's simply the truth.

    I don't think you understand that being a Blue Blood is ONLY about college football.

    For example, Bama is a Blue Blood, no one denies that.

    Does it matter that we're the 30th best university in the nation? No.

    Does it matter that our swimming and diving program is terrible? No.

    Being a CFB Blue Blood only has to do with what you've done on the field.

    TalHawkins112

  • star69 said...

    That's all fine and dandy, but you don't have anywhere close to the # of AA, Heisman winners, HOF coaches, HOF's in general, or players drafted into the league.

    That's "Popularity Contest" stuff. It is no secret that the south is looked at negatively by the rest of the nation. This was especially true years ago (deservedly so).

    This post was edited by MildReTIDEation on 1/25/2012 at 1:40 PM

    MildReTIDEation

  • IrishImpact said...

    SEC plays by different rules and then you throw in everyone else's face that you rule the college football landscape. This is true, you undoubtedly do. But did you ever stop to think why??

    Sorry, but I didn't once state Alabama's place in the college football landscape nor did I mention ND in any of my previous posts.

    Maybe my statement's towards Michigan stuck a little too close to home for you. You a little insecure, bruh?

    MildReTIDEation

  • star69 said...

    That's all fine and dandy, but you don't have anywhere close to the # of AA, Heisman winners, HOF coaches, HOF's in general, or players drafted into the league.

    Meh, individual awards don't bother me, they've historically been very political.

    Speaking of politics, do you think that had something to do with Bama not getting the '66 title when they were the only undefeated, untied team in the country? bs_sign

    And if you want to bring in those things ( though I doubt we're very far behind in AA's ) I'll bring up the fact ND hasn't been good in 20+ years. Bama has 3 titles since the last time ND has won one.

    You're still a Blue Blood, but you'll lose it if you keep underacheiving.

    TalHawkins112

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Meh, individual awards don't bother me, they've historically been very political.

    Speaking of politics, do you think that had something to do with Bama not getting the '66 title when they were the only undefeated, untied team in the country? bs_sign

    And if you want to bring in those things ( though I doubt we're very far behind in AA's ) I'll bring up the fact ND hasn't been good in 20+ years. Bama has 3 titles since the last time ND has won one.

    You're still a Blue Blood, but you'll lose it if you keep underacheiving.

    We've been nice.. Now it's an actual debate, you're welcome.

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