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JoePa turned out to be the pos most thought he was

  • Fuzz said...

    Well a kid was raped in the FOOTBALL facilities... And apparently the FOOTBALL coach played a role in hushing this whole thing.... Oh and the guy who raped the kid was an ex FOOTBALL coach.

    Which NCAA rule does that violate? It is a criminal issue. Not an NCAA issue. LOIC is in regards to rampant breaking of NCAA rules. It has nothing to do with criminal actions.

    VTSmitty ●

  • This appears to be far more likely to make the NCAA do something to PSU. At least this is what would scare me as a PSU fan, in terms of football violations.

    some quotes from article...
    "The article said that among emails turned over to the Freeh team are messages written by former President Graham Spanier and Wendell V. Courtney, Penn State's former general counsel, "which describe steps the two men took to protect players."

    "Another unnamed source told the Chronicle some of the Freeh investigators "appeared to find it problematic" that some top Penn State officials had resisted adopting athletic oversight practices in use at many other schools."

    Penn State: 'We will take responsibility' for whatever Sandusky-related investigation finds

    Some say they've been asked about the relationship between university administrators and Penn State's athletic department, and whether student judicial processes were interfered with to protect student athletes.

    www.pennlive.com
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    Whiskers ●

  • How do you think they treat guys who protect pedophiles in prison?

    Leppycole

  • I don't buy it that JoePa sat on this to protect Sandusky. To me, he did it to protect the university and/or the football program.

    who in their right mind tries to protect a child rapist?

    ButchCassidy ●

  • Throw these guys in jail, but don't penalize their football program. Turning this into a football issue trivializes the matter at hand. These people were criminals. Jerry Sandusky is a rapist first and an "example of failed institutional control" second, if at all.

    Who would be actually affected by NCAA sanctions? Bill O'Brien? The players? Future players? PSU's new Pres/VP? The fans (as ridiculous as some of them have been about the scandal?) None of these people are responsible for what happened.

    If I were to cover up a crime to protect my friends, but my friends had no idea the crime ever occurred, how could they be punished for what I did?

    This post was edited by Cuba Gooding Jr on 6/30/2012 at 8:37 AM

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    Cuba Gooding Jr ●

  • MZizzle2 said...

    None of that helped the football program though. This isn't an NCAA issue and I don't understand why so many people want PSU's football program to be punished so badly. Everyone who was involved is gone, why would you want the current coaching staff, current players, alumni and students to suffer? Four men including Joe Pa made horrible decisions and should pay for those actions.

    Because the program should be held responsible for the actions and character of the people they hired?

    And the program had a duty to those children that those people ignored.

    TalHawkins112 ●

  • I have been holding off judgement until more came out with the admin's involvement:

    Looking more and more like Joe need to be removed from the HOF

    HNB ●

  • And:

    this is not an NCAA issue, this is a law and god issue.

    HNB ●

  • HNB said...

    And:

    this is not an NCAA issue, this is a law and god issue.

    The only reason I could see this being an NCAA issue is that it seems JoePa hid it all to save the programs face. IMO he'd rather cover it up than tell and have people turned off from PSU.

    Edit: but well never know why he covered it up so I don't think the NCAA can do anything.

    This post was edited by ButchCassidy on 6/30/2012 at 8:53 AM

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  • HNB said...

    And:

    this is not an NCAA issue, this is a law and god issue.

    Yep. God and the law will fix everything, just like they both protected all those kids Sandusky molested. Oh wait, they didn't? Then let's not trust them to handle this. There is all kinds of precident to punish a program for the faults of people either not associated with the program or no longer associated with the program. There needs to be a clear message that covering up crimes to protect a program will destroy a program.

    This post was edited by Rocket_Play on 6/30/2012 at 9:07 AM

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Yep. God and the law will fix everything, just like they both protected all those kids Sandusky molested. Oh wait, they didn't? Then let's not trust them to handle this. There is all kinds of precident to punish a program for the faults of people either not associated with the program or no longer associated with the program. There needs to be a clear message that covering up crimes to protect a program will destroy a program.

    Agreed. +1

    TalHawkins112 ●

  • But what does destroying a program really solve? I want these guys to burn in hell as much as any of you, trust me, but killing Penn State and it's athletic department? You have a handful of sick fvcks who did something atrocious but your punishment includes ruining something that means a lot to hundres of thousands of alumni, thousands of students, and a team of guys who had nothing to do with the whole thing? Yes, I realize getting to enjoy football isn't a reason to not punish people for raping kids, don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, that punishments affects a whole helluva lot of people who had nothing to do with this situation and hate these guys as much as we do.

    Like I've said before, I say fire everyone that even heard a word about this thing. Clean out the whole AD if you have to. But I'm over punishing fans and players for something they had no connection to and are against as much as fans of other teams.

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  • ButchCassidy said...

    I don't buy it that JoePa sat on this to protect Sandusky. To me, he did it to protect the university and/or the football program.

    who in their right mind tries to protect a child rapist?

    Does it really matter? They’re both just as bad.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    But what does destroying a program really solve? I want these guys to burn in hell as much as any of you, trust me, but killing Penn State and it's athletic department? You have a handful of sick fvcks who did something atrocious but your punishment includes ruining something that means a lot to hundres of thousands of alumni, thousands of students, and a team of guys who had nothing to do with the whole thing? Yes, I realize getting to enjoy football isn't a reason to not punish people for raping kids, don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, that punishments affects a whole helluva lot of people who had nothing to do with this situation and hate these guys as much as we do.

    Like I've said before, I say fire everyone that even heard a word about this thing. Clean out the whole AD if you have to. But I'm over punishing fans and players for something they had no connection to and are against as much as fans of other teams.

    Because the NCAA is dumb and always punishes people for things they didn't do. Did any of the current USC players have anything to do with Reggie Bush? The NCAA is flawed, majorly.

    ButchCassidy ●

  • ButchCassidy said...

    Because the NCAA is dumb and always punishes people for things they didn't do. Did any of the current USC players have anything to do with Reggie Bush? The NCAA is flawed, majorly.

    I'm an Alabama fan. Trust me, I know. That's my point.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    But what does destroying a program really solve? I want these guys to burn in hell as much as any of you, trust me, but killing Penn State and it's athletic department? You have a handful of sick fvcks who did something atrocious but your punishment includes ruining something that means a lot to hundres of thousands of alumni, thousands of students, and a team of guys who had nothing to do with the whole thing? Yes, I realize getting to enjoy football isn't a reason to not punish people for raping kids, don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, that punishments affects a whole helluva lot of people who had nothing to do with this situation and hate these guys as much as we do.

    Like I've said before, I say fire everyone that even heard a word about this thing. Clean out the whole AD if you have to. But I'm over punishing fans and players for something they had no connection to and are against as much as fans of other teams.

    It would also demolish the economy of Centre County. It makes most of its money for the year on 8ish weekends a year. Just something to consider. I'm trying to stay way away from this conversation for obvious reasons.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Penn State is not shit. Joe and those involved were and are disgusting slime, who all deserve as bad or worse of a fate than Sandusky is sure to find in prison.

    A handful of people who knew, and most likely some members of the BoT, messed up royally. Leadership failed massively. However the people involved in the cover up do not encompass the entire student body, fan base or alumni base. We were all led to believe Joe was a great man, which clearly wasn't true, and we were all led to believe that the people in power were responsible and strong enough to be there. Also clearly not true.

    The PSU family doesn't deserve any blame for the disgusting actions of a few people, or any public shaming in front of a message board or the rest of the B1G.

    u need to change ur picture

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    CrimsonTemplar

  • CrimsonTemplar said...

    u need to change ur picture

    See his post earlier ITT, he said he was going to but he can't get to a computer till tomorrow.

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    shavisimo2 ●

  • Props to the PSU fans ITT. Idk about the PSU 24/7 board, but the scout fans sound like a bunch of idiots and refuse to accept reality.

    ButchCassidy ●

  • shavisimo2 said...

    See his post earlier ITT, he said he was going to but he can't get to a computer till tomorrow.

    got it

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    CrimsonTemplar

  • ButchCassidy said...

    Props to the PSU fans ITT. Idk about the PSU 24/7 board, but the scout fans sound like a bunch of idiots and refuse to accept reality.

    Audibles is a cesspool, just like hineygate.

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    shavisimo2 ●

  • sf2k4 said...

    But what does destroying a program really solve? I want these guys to burn in hell as much as any of you, trust me, but killing Penn State and it's athletic department? You have a handful of sick fvcks who did something atrocious but your punishment includes ruining something that means a lot to hundres of thousands of alumni, thousands of students, and a team of guys who had nothing to do with the whole thing? Yes, I realize getting to enjoy football isn't a reason to not punish people for raping kids, don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, that punishments affects a whole helluva lot of people who had nothing to do with this situation and hate these guys as much as we do.

    Like I've said before, I say fire everyone that even heard a word about this thing. Clean out the whole AD if you have to. But I'm over punishing fans and players for something they had no connection to and are against as much as fans of other teams.

    When you hire someone to run your school, they are your school. Otherwise, a school could hire someone, allow them to do whatever they want while there, and then fire them when discovered with no consequences. Penn State's crime isn't molesting children, it's covering up children getting molested.

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    Rocket_Play ●

  • I really do feel terrible for PSU fans and alumni, and I have said so throughout. I'm not taking joy in this. That said, I also don't see how this is not LOIC control. Crimes were committed, children were allowed to be raped, just so PSU football could continue as if nothing had happened. As TBDBITL said earlier, if this had happened in any other department of PSU it would have been reported. I personally see it as a cover-up to protect JoePa, Sandusky, and the PSU football program(and all the money that it makes).

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    That said, I also don't see how this is not LOIC control.

    It's up to the NCAA whether an NCAA violation occurred to determine LOIC. LOIC is based on what was in place to monitor the violations. If they say no violations, then no LOIC. If they say violations, then LOIC. Who knows what they'll say. I don't think anyone here would venture a guess as to how the NCAA will handle any situation.

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    shavisimo2 ●

  • IMO asking the NCAA to punish PSU is like asking a local homeowner's association to punish someone after the feds find drugs in their home. This is just way past the scope of what the NCAA deals with and is best left to the law. Want something to convince people in the future not to do this? It's prison time and never being able to work in a field you dedicated your life to again. That will mean more to any school president than what happens to their football team.

    osceolafan

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