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jmsmooth33 said...
Bill Simmons is one of the biggest celtic homers and in his book he gives a detailed analysis why MJ is by far the best, read it and you'll understand why 23 was not only the best bball player but the best athlete at his sport this world has ever seen.
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McLovin32 said...
2002-03 Season, Kobe averaged 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 boards/game. Shaq 27 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists. 2003-04 Season, Kobe averaged 24 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists/game. Shaq 21 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists again. A person with a rational thought could absolutely argue that towards the end of their run together, Kobe was overtaking Shaq as the best player. However, I do enjoy you stating things like that without actually looking up any facts
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McLovin32 said...
2002-03 Season, Kobe averaged 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 boards/game. Shaq 27 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists.
2003-04 Season, Kobe averaged 24 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists/game. Shaq 21 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists again.
A person with a rational thought could absolutely argue that towards the end of their run together, Kobe was overtaking Shaq as the best player. However, I do enjoy you stating things like that without actually looking up any facts
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joetheogre said...
Kobe doesn't get any credit because he doesn't have the heart of a champion. Something about the fires burning hottest or the hardest steel or something. From what I understand, you have to want to win so badly that you quit basketball altogether to play baseball for two seasons. Wait, one and half.
Let's be honest, who ITT rubs one out to this video every night?
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ftlaudcock said...
LULZ
Point out the obvious fallacy of the whole Kobe=MJ narrative trotted out ITT, and you're a shameless sycophant.
Keep cobbling together insignificant points in a totally incoherent manner to support a position you claim not to be advancing, and you're just a rational objective observer, mirite?
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LULZ
Point out the obvious fallacy of the whole Kobe=MJ narrative trotted out ITT, and you're a shameless sycophant.
Keep cobbling together insignificant points in a totally incoherent manner to support a position you claim not to be advancing, and you're just a rational objective observer, mirite?
Want to know how I know you're rocking that extra chromosome?
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joetheogre said...
The pro-Jordan supporters in this thread are ridiculous and over the top. All the Kobe guys are saying is that he is having a better year than Jordan did at the same age; a position which is perfectly debatable.
Of course, no one can debate about Jordan because he is the GOAT and he has the passion which was fueled in the fires of arduous finals against Portland, Seattle, and others. Jordan supporters are over the top and you know it.
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That's whats so funny about the supporters of Jordan that are absolutely obsessed with him. Nobody has said anything about Kobe going down as the best player ever. Nobody has said that. Someone simply pointed out that he might be having a better year at the age of 34, and according to all Jordan supporters on here, that's impossible, because nobody can ever be compared to Jordan, ever. Because we all know Jordan was perfect at every aspect of the game until he retired. A good buddy of mine is a HUUUUGE Bulls fan, always has been. And strangely enough, he loves Kobe too. His reasoning behind it, is that he thinks Kobe is the closest thing we'll ever see to Jordan and he says he just enjoys watching "greatness."
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That's whats so funny about the supporters of Jordan that are absolutely obsessed with him. Nobody has said anything about Kobe going down as the best player ever. Nobody has said that. Someone simply pointed out that he might be having a better year at the age of 34, and according to all Jordan supporters on here, that's impossible, because nobody can ever be compared to Jordan, ever. Because we all know Jordan was perfect at every aspect of the game until he retired. A good buddy of mine is a HUUUUGE Bulls fan, always has been. And strangely enough, he loves Kobe too. His reasoning behind it, is that he thinks Kobe is the closest thing we'll ever see to Jordan and he says he just enjoys watching "greatness."
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ftlaudcock said...
Straw man much?
Read this very very carefully:
3.) It is moronic to cherry pick and start a thread with a singular insignificant stat that favors Kobe in comparison to MJ, and then profess shock that such a tightly edited and limited comparison generates broader comparisons between the two.
This post was edited by McLovin32 on 12/28/2012 at 12:04 AM
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joetheogre said...
I think its ridiculous.
I honestly think even if a Kobe or LBJ or anyone else were to win like 8 titles, there were be a large number of people who say Jordan is the GREATEST EVAR because he had the "will to win" or some other pretense.
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McLovin32 said...
It generates broader comparisons because the Jordan lovers instantly bring up the fact that Kobe will never be MJ. Then they try to make it sound like there's absolutely no reason to ever compare Kobe to MJ. And for any basketball fan/expert/anyone, that's just insane to say. There's a reason Kobe gets compared to MJ quite often, and it's not because dumb internet posters bring it up. It's because experts talk about it. The obsessed Jordan supporters are the first ones to make the "broader comparisons" even though nobody has tried to compare their entire careers in this thread because MJ is the best to ever play(that's the 5th time I've said it now). But thanks for breaking it down for me, I really needed that. Now I'll wait for your next response which will probably include "MJ is the GOAT" even though nobody has disagreed with that in this thread yet.
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I see you deleted the part of my post where I readily acknowledged Kobe's greatness as well as his stature as a top 10 all time player.
But that wasn't good enough for you. You keep denying it, but you want more than that.
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McLovin32 said...
Well to be totally honest I find it hilarious that a group of people (Jordan Lovers) get so worked up over nothing. Get their panties in a bunch over a simple comparison. The majority of Jordan lover posts in this thread have had NOTHING to do with their season while being 34 years old, the Jordan lovers make it about the entire career, which nobody has been arguing about. However, in damn near every single post, the Jordan lovers will make sure everyone is aware of Jordan being the GOAT. Which like I'll say again, NOBODY has denied in this thread. You're a prime example of someone that has brought it up numerous times, for absolutely no reason, with nobody arguing against it. I just think it's funny. It's almost like the Jordan lovers are insecure about it, so they feel the need to bring it up and defend it when nobody has even questioned it.
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Kobe at age 34 > MJ at age 34