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Kobe at age 34 > MJ at age 34

  • McLovin32 said...

    2002-03 Season, Kobe averaged 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 boards/game. Shaq 27 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists. 2003-04 Season, Kobe averaged 24 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists/game. Shaq 21 points, 11 boards, and 3 assists again. A person with a rational thought could absolutely argue that towards the end of their run together, Kobe was overtaking Shaq as the best player. However, I do enjoy you stating things like that without actually looking up any facts


    A reasonable person can also say that playing alongside the most dominant and unstoppable player in the game, which Shaq was at the time, was a major assist to Kobe that Jordan never had.

    VBCock

  • VBCock said...

    A reasonable person can also say that playing alongside the most dominant and unstoppable player in the game, which Shaq was at the time, was a major assist to Kobe that Jordan never had.

    This is true, but what about pippen, kerr, armstrong and paxson (not sure other than pip which ones were with him in the later years) to spread the perimeter and create driving lanes. Shaq actually clogs the middle up and kobe has to settle for mid range jumpers rather than taking it to the rim at times. If Shaq could step it back, then it becomes a moot point, but in my opinion, Jordan had easier driving lanes due to the shooters on his team.

    CoachGomez214

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    Shaq is one of the most dominant players in NBA history, Lebron was punk'd out by sean Marion imagine if joe dumars was beating him up and everytime he drove the lane he had mahorn or lambeer waiting for him lulz..

    It's a good thing Lebron has grown as a player since then.

    You can't judge a player based on what he has done when he was 26 and younger. You have to look at his full career, something which Lebron hasn't finished

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    THe FLU game where a legend became a God

    no

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    This is true, but what about pippen, kerr, armstrong and paxson (not sure other than pip which ones were with him in the later years) to spread the perimeter and create driving lanes. Shaq actually clogs the middle up and kobe has to settle for mid range jumpers rather than taking it to the rim at times. If Shaq could step it back, then it becomes a moot point, but in my opinion, Jordan had easier driving lanes due to the shooters on his team.

    1. The NBA is soo watered down today it's a joke half the teams are complete gutter trash.
    2. The rule change has allowed perimeter player's to dominant more and score easier, look at Kobe's numbers pre and post hand check rule.
    3. MJ played against great defensive centers such as Mutombo, Ewing, the dream, Shaq, Mourning etc, who are great centers in today's NBa game just D12 but he has a bad back right now.
    4. MJ dominated every NBA finals he has every played in going 6 for 6 with wins and Finals MVP's something no player has ever done.
    5. Most NBA dynasties have at least 3 HOF's for example Russell had Sam Jones, Hondo, Kc Jones, ettc, Bird had Mchale, Chief, dennis johnson; Magic had Kareem, Big game james. NOtice all these dynasties had a dominant lost poser scorer something MJ has never had yet and only had Pippen as a Hall of Famer for all 6 titles..

    This post was edited by jmsmooth33 on 12/28/2012 at 11:57 AM

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  • Tidepride30 said...

    The only people that think Kobe is in the same world as Jordan are people who never got to watch Jordan's entire career or Laker fanboys. Only explanation.

    lol

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    This is true, but what about pippen, kerr, armstrong and paxson (not sure other than pip which ones were with him in the later years) to spread the perimeter and create driving lanes. Shaq actually clogs the middle up and kobe has to settle for mid range jumpers rather than taking it to the rim at times. If Shaq could step it back, then it becomes a moot point, but in my opinion, Jordan had easier driving lanes due to the shooters on his team.

    So you're telling me that humans have evolved THAT much in the last 15 years that if you put MJ in today's NBA he wouldn't be the best in the league? That's complete nonsense if so in fact Jordan would probably be even better in today's NBA.

    People really just love to play the role of the skeptic.

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    1. The NBA is soo watered down today it's a joke half the teams are complete gutter trash. 2. The rule change has allowed perimeter player's to dominant more and score easier, look at Kobe's numbers pre and post hand check rule. 3. MJ played against great defensive centers such as Mutombo, Ewing, the dream, Shaq, Mourning etc, who are great centers in today's NBa game just D12 but he has a bad back right now. 4. MJ dominated every NBA finals he has every played in going 6 for 6 with wins and Finals MVP's something no player has ever done. 5. Most NBA dynasties have at least 3 HOF's for example Russell had Sam Jones, Hondo, Kc Jones, ettc, Bird had Mchale, Chief, dennis johnson; Magic had Kareem, Big game james. NOtice all these dynasties had a dominant lost poser scorer something MJ has never had yet and only had Pippen as a Hall of Famer for all 6 titles..

    lol

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  • To the genius who said that Jordan would completely own Lebron had they faced off in each other's prime......if Jordan couldn't handle a teenage Kobe, how on earth would he shut down a guy with the size and strength of Karl Malone, passing skills of Magic Johnson, and the agility and speed of Isaiah Thomas?

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  • Never thought this thread would get a joe dumars name drop. Shawn Marion as well.

    This is impressive and may never end haha

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  • How soon we forget....

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  • The same 32 year old Michael Jordan could walk into the league today and dominate.

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  • Tidepride30 said...

    The same 32 year old Michael Jordan could walk into the league today and dominate.

    No Sh!t. But 34 year old Jordan would be 3rd team all-NBA behind Kobe and Harden.

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  • randy88moss said...

    No Sh!t. But 34 year old Jordan would be 3rd team all-NBA behind Kobe and Harden.

    confused

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  • randy88moss said...

    To the genius who said that Jordan would completely own Lebron had they faced off in each other's prime......if Jordan couldn't handle a teenage Kobe, how on earth would he shut down a guy with the size and strength of Karl Malone, passing skills of Magic Johnson, and the agility and speed of Isaiah Thomas?

    This is seriously one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard in my life..

    jmsmooth33

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    This is seriously one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard in my life..

    You're either a child of incest, or completely delusional if you honestly think MJ could shut down Lebron. So which is it?

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  • randy88moss said...

    You're either a child of incest, or completely delusional if you honestly think MJ could shut down Lebron. So which is it?

    You're a complete dipshit of you think MJ couldn't muster up the same defensive skill set that Sean Marion used to throw LBJ off his game.

    LBJ is in my mind unquestionably the most athletic player I've seen, but that's not the be all end all...MJ was a champion.

    I'm a Heat fan, but until LBJ gets at least three more 'ships, he's just not in the conversation.

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  • ftlaudcock said...

    You're a complete dipshit of you think MJ couldn't muster up the same defensive skill set that Sean Marion used to throw LBJ off his game.

    LBJ is in my mind unquestionably the most athletic player I've seen, but that's not the be all end all...MJ was a champion.

    I'm a Heat fan, but until LBJ gets at least three more 'ships, he's just not in the conversation.

    lol The scary thing is, you really believe this shit. I despise LeBron, but I'm not going to sit here and lie to myself....LBJ would absolutely bitchown MJ.

    Jordan wasn't even the best defender on the championship Bulls. It was Pippen who drew the Magic Johnson's of the league back then....and when MJ drew Dominique Wilkins or Andrian Dantley before Pippen got there, they would absolutely torch him. Go ahead and look it up, imbecile. Do yourself a favor and stop adding your stupidity to this thread.....you're embarrassing yourself.

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    This is seriously one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard in my life..

    Try to refute it....go ahead, try.

    Attempting to have an intelligent dialogue with an MJ fan is akin to that episode of The Chapelle Show where Dave was being questioned for Jury duty and refused to believe anything, regardless of facts......i.e., OJ killing Nicole, R Kelly sexing a teen on video, etc.

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  • Here it is....excuse the crappy quality.

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  • randy88moss said...

    Here it is....excuse the crappy quality.

    That quality is for shit

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  • randy88moss said...

    Try to refute it....go ahead, try.

    Attempting to have an intelligent dialogue with an MJ fan is akin to that episode of The Chapelle Show where Dave was being questioned for Jury duty and refused to believe anything, regardless of facts......i.e., OJ killing Nicole, R Kelly sexing a teen on video, etc.

    Your just embarrassing yourself man, LBJ was punk'd out by the celtics, magic so he had to join forces with his boy Dwayne Wade b/c he couldn't handle the pressure, so then he gets to the NBA finals and gets shut down by the matrix and jason kidd lmaoo b/c his softer than cottonelle tissue. Using your logic he's going up against the most ferocious NBA player and best NBA player of all-time who has destroyed everything in his path. To the think LBJ would own MJ is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. About your comment about Pippen being a better defender than MJ, PIppen challenged MJ in practice and MJ embarrassed him in every meaning of the word, he made Pippen tap out and he never questioned the greatness of 23 again, good job good effort but your posts are complete trash..

    jmsmooth33

  • I'd take Kobe at 34 over Jordan at 34.

    Wilt, Magic, or Kareem over either one. Wilt is the GOAT with Kareem being 1B, there is a reason why rules were changed and why WIlt has every record imaginable.

    SoCalEase

  • ftlaudcock said...

    You're a complete dipshit of you think MJ couldn't muster up the same defensive skill set that Sean Marion used to throw LBJ off his game.

    LBJ is in my mind unquestionably the most athletic player I've seen, but that's not the be all end all...MJ was a champion.

    I'm a Heat fan, but until LBJ gets at least three more 'ships, he's just not in the conversation.

    Why do championships matter? I've never understood this. It's a team game. You have to have a great TEAM to win no matter who you are... I've always said this: If you took the players in the NFL that have won a Superbowl and made a team out of them and they played the people who didn't, the people who didn't would win.

    Starting backfield: Marino, Earl Campbell and Barry Sanders. Game, set, match.

    CoachGomez214

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    Your just embarrassing yourself man, LBJ was punk'd out by the celtics, magic so he had to join forces with his boy Dwayne Wade b/c he couldn't handle the pressure, so then he gets to the NBA finals and gets shut down by the matrix and jason kidd lmaoo b/c his softer than cottonelle tissue. Using your logic he's going up against the most ferocious NBA player and best NBA player of all-time who has destroyed everything in his path. To the think LBJ would own MJ is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. About your comment about Pippen being a better defender than MJ, PIppen challenged MJ in practice and MJ embarrassed him in every meaning of the word, he made Pippen tap out and he never questioned the greatness of 23 again, good job good effort but your posts are complete trash..

    Were you there at the practices with Jordan and Pippen? Remember, I coached hoops for a long time and have a lot of people in the know with this.

    Jordan admitted publicly that Pippen for a stretch was the best player on the team and that's a fact. Is Pip better than Mike? No, but Jordan had MAJOR help. Lebron had NONE til he went to the heat. I find it amusing that guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic have mentioned that they didn't leave their team...

    Ummm...you guys are geniuses. You didn't have to, ya' morons.

    CoachGomez214