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MLB: Miguel Cabrera now leads all 3 Triple Crown categories

  • Cabrera wins the triple crown then he should win MVP. Use all the sabermetrics you want, the triple crown is something that most thought would never happen again and baseball also has a whole lot of old writers and voters that remember the days before sabermetrics were even thought of. The triple crown means more to them than WAR. Advantage Cabrera.

    jtmva

  • El Guapo said...

    Carried them to the playoffs in the worst division in baseball. As of tonight LAA has a better record and they don't get a combined 38 games vs the Twins and Indians and play in a division with two teams with better records than the Tigers.

    Who cares what division they are in? They made the playoffs, didn't they?

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  • One thing that is really cool is that Detroit plays in the latest AL game on Wednesday, so in all likelihood, Miggy will get to celebrate after the game with full knowledge that no one will be able to catch him.

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  • The real reason Trout has the advantage in WAR is because of speed. IMO, that doesn't make him a better player.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    The real reason Trout has the advantage in WAR is because of speed. IMO, that doesn't make him a better player.

    Your right his D and speed make Trout a much better player. Miggys great but he is a glorified DH that hurts the team in the field while Trout is a complete player.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • El Guapo said...

    Your right his D and speed make Trout a much better player. Miggys great but he is a glorified DH that hurts the team in the field while Trout is a complete player.

    I think you are overvaluing infield defense. There is only so much a player can do defensively at 3B.

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  • Miggy slugged .742 vs the Twins and Indians and nearly 20% of his ABs came vs them. 4 of the bottom 6 ERAs were in the central. Worst division in baseball. Ted Williams won the TC twice while not winning the MVP.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=al&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=14,d

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • So question. Say Hamilton goes on a tear and finishes with 46 while Miggy hits 45. Does that make Miggy any more valuable than if Hamilton hits 43?

    b1210k

  • Cabrera is leading the world in just about everything. BA, HR, RBI, SLG, OPS.... 2nd in Hits, 2nd in Runs... He's the MVP.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Angels before Trout - 6-14
    Angels after Trout - 82-57

    This playoffs argument is weak.

    And I absolutely hate the playoff argument, there are 8 other players in the lineup/on the field an it doesn't matter how well you hit /play if the other players don't do shit or your teams pitching blows

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Cabrera is leading the world in just about everything. BA, HR, RBI, SLG, OPS.... 2nd in Hits, 2nd in Runs... He's the MVP.

    Is he second in hits to jeter?

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  • So the MVP last year, Verlander, was an awesome defensive player?? Defense has NEVER mattered in MVP voting

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  • RicoX19 said...

    So the MVP last year, Verlander, was an awesome defensive player?? Defense has NEVER mattered in MVP voting

    Cabrera should be the MVP. Defense has never played a role in MVP voting unless the player was a DH. There are people that think someone should not win the MVP if they do not play the field at all.

    Verlander should not have been the MVP. A starting pitcher plays in 20% of the games in a season at most. A starting pitcher should never win the MVP.

    as for your question...yes, Verlander was voted MVP because of his defense. He contributes nothing offensively and pitching is a team's best defense.

    bamabum5

  • Who cares how much defense was factored in before? That doesn't make it any more or less valuable now. A defensively talented center fielder helps a team immensely. Trout makes that team much better with his fielding, hence, he adds value regardless of whether voters consider that or not.

    As for the infield defense argument. Sure, it's tough to do much as a corner infielder. The problem is that aside from dh, those are the only positions miggy can play without killing a team defensively (and the numbers suggest he's one of the worst corner infielders in the game anyway). That makes him a considerably less valuable player in the field, which is a component of the game. Saying it shouldn't count because it never has does nothing to refute the fact that it is a factor in a player's value.

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  • ejb5212 said...

    Is he second in hits to jeter?

    Yes.. and 2nd in Runs to Trout. Also from someone that watches just about every Tigers game, he's not an awful defender, despite what some people would have you believe. He has subpar range. but he makes the routine plays and has a very good throwing arm.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Yes.. and 2nd in Runs to Trout. Also from someone that watches just about every Tigers game, he's not an awful defender, despite what some people would have you believe. He has subpar range. but he makes the routine plays and has a very good throwing arm.

    His DRS and UZR and UZR/150 (the three biggest metrics) are all very negative. He's the second worst fielding 3rd baseman who qualifies this year by UZR and UZR/150 and 4th worst by DRS.

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  • When Trout was recalled LAA had the second worst record in MLB, since then they have the best record in the AL. Also hes the first player ever to hit 30 HRs, 125 Runs and steal 45 bags. Better hitter is Miggy but the best player is Trout.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • shavisimo2 said...

    His DRS and UZR and UZR/150 (the three biggest metrics) are all very negative. He's the second worst fielding 3rd baseman who qualifies this year by UZR and UZR/150 and 4th worst by DRS.

    Again.. you can look at numbers all you want. I watch every game. I already said he had sub par range, but he's not a liability at 3rd. He makes the plays he needs to make.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Again.. you can look at numbers all you want. I watch every game. I already said he had sub par range, but he's not a liability at 3rd. He makes the plays he needs to make.

    I almost always take the side of objective statistics over home team fans' opinions.

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  • The whole being in the worse division is plain stupid. Since when did Detroit get to pick which division to play in? Haters gonna hate. God forbid if it was Cano doing this and the Yankees were in the central all these haters on here would say Cano is the GOAT. You Yankee lovers will get another reality check in the postseason again

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  • victorsclub said...

    The whole being in the worse division is plain stupid. Since when did Detroit get to pick which division to play in? Haters gonna hate. God forbid if it was Cano doing this and the Yankees were in the central all these haters on here would say Cano is the GOAT. You Yankee lovers will get another reality check in the postseason again

    Since when did Trout get to pick what division he plays in? His team would be in the playoffs if they were in the Central. Instead they're in the West with 3 very good teams instead of 1 and a pile of crap. That argument works both ways.

    EDIT: I'm not even close to a Yanks fan btw.

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 10/2/2012 at 3:32 PM

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  • victorsclub said...

    The whole being in the worse division is plain stupid. Since when did Detroit get to pick which division to play in? Haters gonna hate. God forbid if it was Cano doing this and the Yankees were in the central all these haters on here would say Cano is the GOAT. You Yankee lovers will get another reality check in the postseason again

    Well it's the Tigers fans argument about being on a playoff team when LAA has a better record and Trout wasn't able to feast on 4 of the 6 worst ERAs in the AL. 20% of Miggys ABs were vs the two worst staffs in baseball and he slugged .742 % vs them.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • shavisimo2 said...

    Who cares how much defense was factored in before? That doesn't make it any more or less valuable now. A defensively talented center fielder helps a team immensely. Trout makes that team much better with his fielding, hence, he adds value regardless of whether voters consider that or not.

    As for the infield defense argument. Sure, it's tough to do much as a corner infielder. The problem is that aside from dh, those are the only positions miggy can play without killing a team defensively (and the numbers suggest he's one of the worst corner infielders in the game anyway). That makes him a considerably less valuable player in the field, which is a component of the game. Saying it shouldn't count because it never has does nothing to refute the fact that it is a factor in a player's value.

    You forget cabreara was the tiger first basemen. The fact that he moved & played a serviceable 3rd base was very valuable. When V-mart got injured the tigers were sunk. Sign prince- move cabreara to 3rd, make play-offs. Pretty valuable if you ask me.

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  • lestat said...

    You forget cabreara was the tiger first basemen. The fact that he moved & played a serviceable 3rd base was very valuable. When V-mart got injured the tigers were sunk. Sign prince- move cabreara to 3rd, make play-offs. Pretty valuable if you ask me.

    That's not a good argument. Front office moves don't make a player valuable. He plays the position he plays, and both first and third are among the easier positions.

    Using that logic, the Angels were sunk when they were 6-14 and had no leadoff hitter and Vernon Wells was one of the worst players in the game. They call up Trout and he gets them to the best record in the AL since his call up. Pretty valuable if you ask me.

    Both arguments stink there.

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  • Sorry but a triple crown gets you the MVP in MLB in this day and age. That said, if I was going to choose between Cabrera and Trout as a member of my team, I would pick Trout every time. For a guy to miss an entire month to the season and still put up his numbers is plain ridiculous. Across the board, there is no player as complete as he is in all of baseball. Dude missed an entire month and finished near the top 10 in almost every offensive category and led the league in runs scored by a significant margin. Throw in defense and he is as good as it gets...and he is 21 years old. Incredible.

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