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MLB: Miguel Cabrera now leads all 3 Triple Crown categories

  • shavisimo2 said...

    History. Trout first person to ever (unlike Miggy's TC) steal 45, score 125 and hit 30 hrs. And he missed a month of the season. Give the man his MVP. biggrin

    Miggy has an RPI of 3.5714 where as Trout only has an RPI of 1.12347373. I think it's clear that Miggy is MVP, based on an objective stat.

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  • El Guapo said...

    Man Miggy is going out like a bitch. Ted Williams body would be rolling over in his grave and his head in the freezer.

    Miggy hasn't been 100% healthy for a while. He could use the rest. He told Leyland he wanted to play today and play 3B not DH. I don't think it's his call.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    History. Trout first person to ever (unlike Miggy's TC) steal 45, score 125 and hit 30 hrs. And he missed a month of the season. Give the man his MVP. biggrin

    The guy who is arguing with the sabermetrics people is stating runs as a respectable stat? Runs are almost as useless as pitching wins. RBI is almost in the same category, but usually go hand in hand with slugging percentage. Runs on the other hand are simply dependent on who hits behind a player. Yeah, they get runs from hitting home runs, but if no one gets a hit behind them, they don't get any more. One of the most pointless stats there is, shows almost nothing.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    The guy who is arguing with the sabermetrics people is stating runs as a respectable stat? Runs are almost as useless as pitching wins. RBI is almost in the same category, but usually go hand in hand with slugging percentage. Runs on the other hand are simply dependent on who hits behind a player. Yeah, they get runs from hitting home runs, but if no one gets a hit behind them, they don't get any more. One of the most pointless stats there is, shows almost nothing.

    A great example of how skewed of a stat runs is: Ian Kinsler hit .257 with a mere .327 OBP and finished 6th in the MLB, 3rd in the AL in runs.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    The guy who is arguing with the sabermetrics people is stating runs as a respectable stat? Runs are almost as useless as pitching wins. RBI is almost in the same category, but usually go hand in hand with slugging percentage. Runs on the other hand are simply dependent on who hits behind a player. Yeah, they get runs from hitting home runs, but if no one gets a hit behind them, they don't get any more. One of the most pointless stats there is, shows almost nothing.

    Runs is considerably more important than RBI's. RBI's is in large part a product of the team around you. There are more independent factors involved in runs including a players' ability on the basepass. With RBI's, ability on the bases means nothing, it's based on other players' abilities on the bases. With runs, your ability to reach base, correctly read balls off the bat, speed, etc. are all factors that help score independent of the guy who needs to knock you in. It is true, that it does rely on other players, but much less than RBI's.

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  • But I do agree, runs isn't a great stat. But if you guys want to throw around all of your triple crown stats, I have to throw around Trout's "first person to EVER do this" stats.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Runs is considerably more important than RBI's. RBI's is in large part a product of the team around you. There are more independent factors involved in runs including a players' ability on the basepass. With RBI's, ability on the bases means nothing, it's based on other players' abilities on the bases. With runs, your ability to reach base, correctly read balls off the bat, speed, etc. are all factors that help score independent of the guy who needs to knock you in. It is true, that it does rely on other players, but much less than RBI's.

    Dude, shut up. You aren't serious, right?

    Runs are literally the ability for the players behind you to be able to hit.

    Say a guy gets on base from a walk, the player behind him hits a home run. What did that player do?

    RBI is dependent of the other players in the lineup, but it directly correlates with a players ability to hit.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Dude, shut up. You aren't serious, right?

    Runs are literally the ability for the players behind you to be able to hit.

    Say a guy gets on base from a walk, the player behind him hits a home run. What did that player do?

    RBI is dependent of the other players in the lineup, but it directly correlates with a players ability to hit.

    I have a disagreement with you and tell you why and you say "shut up."? Mature response.

    In your situation, he did nothing. How about this scenario. You single. You steal second and third. Player behind you hits a sac fly. Please, tell me how the player didn't create that run without terribly much help from the guy behind him.

    For RBI's, look at Ryan Howard. He's led the league 3 times in RBIss with Batting averages of .313 (his MVP year), .279 and .251. That doesn't directly correlate to hitting if a .251 hitter can lead the league.

    Hell, this year, Ryan howard played 71 games and had 56 RBIs. Extrapolate that to a full season and he'd be far and away the NL leader in RBIs with a freaking .219 batting average. Give me a break with RBIs correlates to your ability to hit.

    Guess what, Howard was hitting behind Rollins and Utley in their primes. Two guys with MVP potential who reach base often for him to drive in. He doesn't control those guys, they just happen to be great players who were always on base for him to knock in even though he's not a great hitter.

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 10/3/2012 at 7:13 PM

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    I have a disagreement with you and tell you why and you say "shut up."? Mature response.

    In your situation, he did nothing. How about this scenario. You single. You steal second and third. Player behind you hits a sac fly. Please, tell me how the player didn't create that run without terribly much help from the guy behind him.

    For RBI's, look at Ryan Howard. He's led the league 3 times in RBIss with Batting averages of .313 (his MVP year), .279 and .251. That doesn't directly correlate to hitting if a .251 hitter can lead the league.

    Hell, this year, Ryan howard played 71 games and had 56 RBIs. Extrapolate that to a full season and he'd be far and away the NL leader in RBIs with a freaking .219 batting average. Give me a break with RBIs correlates to your ability to hit.

    Guess what, Howard was hitting behind Rollins and Utley in their primes. Two guys with MVP potential who reach base often for him to drive in. He doesn't control those guys, they just happen to be great players who were always on base for him to knock in even though he's not a great hitter.

    I can't take you seriously anymore if you think runs mean anything. Literally the most pointless stat in baseball.

    Look at Ryan Howard's slugging percentages during those years with the high RBI totals.

    What player in the game steals second and third every time they reach 1st base? You are trying to make it sound like stolen bases = runs. Look at the steal leaders for this season, only Trout has over 100 runs out of the top 15 base stealers.

    I see what you mean with speed creating runs, but it is completely reliant on what the players around you do.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    I can't take you seriously anymore if you think runs mean anything. Literally the most pointless stat in baseball.

    Look at Ryan Howard's slugging percentages during those years with the high RBI totals.

    What player in the game steals second and third every time they reach 1st base? You are trying to make it sound like stolen bases = runs. Look at the steal leaders for this season, only Trout has over 100 runs out of the top 15 base stealers.

    I see what you mean with speed creating runs, but it is completely reliant on what the players around you do.

    I give you an example and you turn that into "every time"? What logic is that? I'm trying to tell you how there is more involved with a player independent on the other players than there is with an RBI. Keep twisting that though.

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