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Malcolm Gladwell: College Football Should Be Banned

  • very interesting read...Alabama fans will riot in 4...3...2...1

    New Yorker columnist and best-selling author Malcolm Gladwell was already a household name in 2009 when he penned an article audaciously comparing football to dogfighting. Both sports, he said, exploit the loyalty and “gameness” of the participants, exposing them to danger for the entertainment of spectators. The dog-fighting analogy works best in the context of college football, for which the athletes themselves receive no compensation. “It's a bit much both to maim AND exploit college football players,” Gladwell wrote me in an email last week.

    Gladwell’s piece explored the link between the rain of subconcussive blows players experience on the field and CTE, a progressive neurological disorder. In this interview, he evaluates the response to the research and illumines corners of student-athlete culture that often go overlooked. Gladwell is the author of The Tipping Point, Blink, Outliers, and What the Dog Saw, as well as a sweep of articles on everything from puzzles to moral hazard in health care. Read on for his thoughts on the NFL and how playing football is different from running track.

    Slate: What do you think is the single most compelling reason to abolish college football? Corruption? Head injury? Lost focus on academics?

    Malcolm Gladwell: The factor that I think will be decisive is the head-injury issue. Colleges are going to get sued, and they will have to decide whether they can afford their legal exposure. That said, the issue ought to be how big-time college sports subverts the academic mission of university education.

    Slate: How would you define the culture of college football? Does this culture add to or detract from the sport’s dangers?

    Gladwell: College football has become indistinguishable from professional football—which is the problem. The only justification for college sports is that they are structured in a way that enhances the social and academic experience of getting an education. A sports program using semiprofessional athletes, and running on a budget of $50-plus million a year does not fit that description.

    Slate: In an article for Grantland, economists Tyler Cowen and Kevin Grier imagine a fairly plausible chain of events leading to the demise of the NFL. Liability suits at the collegiate and post-collegiate level prompt insurance companies to stop covering schools when it comes to football. Coaches and parents shy away from the sport, sapping the NFL feeder system. As links between CTE and concussions grow clearer, a stigma attaches to the league and advertisers withdraw support. Ultimately, football goes the way of rugby, boxing, and horseracing. Cowen and Grier write, “If recent history has shown anything, it is that observers cannot easily imagine the big changes in advance. Very few people were predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union, the reunification of Germany, or the rise of China as an economic power. Once you start thinking through how the status quo might unravel, a sports universe without the NFL at its center no longer seems absurd.” Do you think it’s realistic to talk about the end of football? What about the end of college football?

    Gladwell: Well, boxing and horseracing didn't end. They have persisted, just in vastly less popular forms than before. They have gone into slow and irreversible decline. I suspect that the same will happen with football. It's going to wither as the supply of talent slowly dries up. I heard on ESPN Michael Wilbon—who is one of the most influential sports journalists in the country—say that he will not let his kids play pro football. If Wilbon won't, who will?

    Slate: Is unacceptable risk intrinsic to football, or could rule changes and equipment modifications salvage the game?

    Gladwell: You can certainly mitigate the risk. But remember the issue isn't concussions. It is "repetitive subconcussive impact." It's not the one big hit. It is the cumulative effect of thousands of little hits that lineman and defensive backs (the most affected positions) endure, play after play. Can you take the "head" out of line play? You can. But then what you are left with would no longer be called tackle football. It would be called touch football.

    Slate: Say banning college football isn’t an option. What reforms would you propose to the system?

    Gladwell: If you want college athletes to assume an as yet unknown risk of permanent physical and neurological damage, you should pay them. Properly. It's a bit much both to maim AND exploit college football players.

    Slate: Were you a student athlete?

    Gladwell: I was. I ran track. A very different kettle of fish.

    Slate: Do you feel that football is too exalted on college campuses, or is it a worthwhile priority that breeds school spirit (and lots of funding)? How would you defend your contention against the other side?

    Gladwell: Football breeds school spirit and fundraising. But, I suspect, it breeds school spirit and fundraising largely for the football program. In any case, I find the notion that you can justify exploiting and maiming athletes because that raises money for the school they are attending to be a slightly appalling notion.

    Slate: Should the NFL be banned too?

    Gladwell: As long as the risks are explicit, the players warned, and those injured properly compensated, then I'm not sure we can stop people from playing. A better question is whether it is ethical to WATCH football. That's a harder question.

    The next Slate/Intelligence Squared debate is May 8: Why Malcolm Gladwell thinks we should ban college football. - Slate Magazine

    New Yorker columnist and best-selling author Malcolm Gladwell was already a household name in 2009 when he penned an article audaciously comparing football to dogfighting. Both sports, he said, exploit the loyalty and of the participants, exposing them to danger for the entertainment of spectators. The dog-fighting analogy works...

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    supermario9

  • Malcolm Gladwell? Will... read...when I get the chance.

    /This is not a bookmark.

    Edit: Didn't mean to quote...

    This post was edited by zabba on 4/30/2012 at 11:02 PM

    zabba

  • A terrible thread from you, shocking

    Its really time to get rid of this dude, I would never normally ask for it but this dude is just terrible and does almost nothing but troll

    He is 100% Rivals, In fact I don't understand why you don't post there... its perfect for you

    Everybody knows college football is a dumpster fire of problems dude, this thread will do nothing but start stupid wars but that is what you clearly want

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by NoVaNoles on 4/30/2012 at 11:04 PM

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  • From one bleeding heart liberal to another: this guy can go fornicate with an iron rod.

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    A terrible thread from you, shocking

    Its really time to get rid of this dude, I would never normally ask for it but this dude is just terrible and does almost nothing but troll

    He is 100% Rivals, In fact I don't understand why you don't post there... its perfect for you

    Everybody knows college football is a dumpster fire of problems dude, this thread will do nothing but start stupid wars but that is what you clearly want

    My god you are retarded. Did you huff glue as a hobby when you were coming up?

    supermario9

  • Terrible analogy between football and dogfighting.

    Football players have a choice on whether or not to play.

    Dogs have no choice in the matter and usually the fight is to the death I assume.

    Aussie

  • NoVaNoles said...

    A terrible thread from you, shocking

    Its really time to get rid of this dude, I would never normally ask for it but this dude is just terrible and does almost nothing but troll

    He is 100% Rivals, In fact I don't understand why you don't post there... its perfect for you

    Everybody knows college football is a dumpster fire of problems dude, this thread will do nothing but start stupid wars but that is what you clearly want

    It's an interesting discussion, this board con't be sunshine and rainbows all the time dude. If this is what you call trolling you apparently haven't been around the internet much.

    TroyTide

  • Anyway Gladwell is a moron, apparently when he isn't making excuses for the losers of the world he is trying to ban sports he isn't man enough to enjoy.

    Where are all these lawsuits Malcolm? Huh? Where?

    Where the hell does he get the idea that people are going to just stop playing football? There are absolutely no signs of that happening whatsoever. Like I said Gladwell is an idiot.

    TroyTide

  • Aussie said...

    Terrible analogy between football and dogfighting.

    Football players have a choice on whether or not to play.

    Dogs have no choice in the matter and usually the fight is to the death I assume.

    Do college football players really have a choice though?

    They honestly don't.

    If there was a minor leauge system, then I'd agree with you.

    But what the NCAA/NFL have worked out right now is a minor leauge system that reaps billions of dollars in profits annually and the college football players see almost none of it. Yeah...yeah...I know they are getting an "education" for free.

    I think if you want to clean up the problem, make a minor league farm system where guys can get compensation. I'd imagine most of the very top high school prospects would go to the minor leagues but that some would still go to college to get an education.

    supermario9

  • supermario9 said...

    Do college football players really have a choice though?

    They honestly don't.

    If there was a minor leauge system, then I'd agree with you.

    But what the NCAA/NFL have worked out right now is a minor leauge system that reaps billions of dollars in profits annually and the college football players see almost none of it. Yeah...yeah...I know they are getting an "education" for free.

    I think if you want to clean up the problem, make a minor league farm system where guys can get compensation. I'd imagine most of the very top high school prospects would go to the minor leagues but that some would still go to college to get an education.

    Yes they have a choice. They don't have to play.

    The comparison to dog fighting is absurd.

    Aussie

  • How about just live your life like you see fit and not worry so much about what other people care or don't care about?

    ASBamaguy

  • Gee Wiz, East Coast Liberal thinks things others do are bad, tells them to stop from a place of moral superiority and intellectual condescension. I'm shocked something like this could occur.

    Edit for autocorrect.

    This post was edited by highspeed on 4/30/2012 at 11:26 PM

    "We don't care about anything but winning. No one cares about ethical standards thats for losers..." BUCKNUTS 21 self trolling.

    highspeed

  • TroyTide said...

    Anyway Gladwell is a moron, apparently when he isn't making excuses for the losers of the world he is trying to ban sports he isn't man enough to enjoy.

    Where are all these lawsuits Malcolm? Huh? Where?

    Where the hell does he get the idea that people are going to just stop playing football? There are absolutely no signs of that happening whatsoever. Like I said Gladwell is an idiot.

    Malcolm Gladwell is definitely not a moron. You are free to disagree with him, but is he an idiot or a moron? Not really.

    I believe that the NFL is or was currently litigating 65 concussion related lawsuits with more than 1,500 plaintiffs as of 2 months ago. The numbers may have even grown.

    supermario9

  • highspeed said...

    Gee Wiz, East Coast Liberal thinks things others do are bad, tells them to stop from a place of moral superiority and intellectual condensation. I'm shocked something like this could occur.

    Me too. Wouldn't put it past them to try and ban it trough legislation at some point, and if that fails they will get the courts to do it for them. Gotta love the left.

    TroyTide

  • supermario9 said...

    Malcolm Gladwell is definitely not a moron. You are free to disagree with him, but is he an idiot or a moron? Not really.

    I believe that the NFL is or was currently litigating 65 concussion related lawsuits with more than 1,500 plaintiffs as of 2 months ago. The numbers may have even grown.

    He is an idiot, he has spent his life making excuses for the losers of the world. According to Malcolm nobody earns anything, they just get lucky!

    TroyTide

  • Aussie said...

    Yes they have a choice. They don't have to play.

    The comparison to dog fighting is absurd.

    No, they really don't have a choice as they are not eligible for the NFL Draft until they are 3 years removed from high school.

    The NCAA/NFL have basically conspired to exploit these kids so they can get a completely free minor leauge farm system in place and reap all the rewards and benefits without any of the risk.

    supermario9

  • supermario9 said...

    No, they really don't have a choice as they are not eligible for the NFL Draft until they are 3 years removed from high school.

    The NCAA/NFL have basically conspired to exploit these kids so they can get a completely free minor leauge farm system in place and reap all the rewards and benefits without any of the risk.

    They have the choice to not play football in the first place...

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  • supermario9 said...

    No, they really don't have a choice as they are not eligible for the NFL Draft until they are 3 years removed from high school.

    The NCAA/NFL have basically conspired to exploit these kids so they can get a completely free minor leauge farm system in place and reap all the rewards and benefits without any of the risk.

    Uh, yes, they have a choice. They can choose not to play the sport at all if they feel it is a health risk. How the hell could anyone argue there is no choice?

    ASBamaguy

  • I don't think it's that simple, though. Not saying Gladwell's right, but the choice isn't simply play or don't play CFB, it's play CFB, go to college, get an education, and go somewhere in life or don't play, don't go to college, and end up poor or in a gang or dead for some of these kids.

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  • supermario9 said...

    No, they really don't have a choice as they are not eligible for the NFL Draft until they are 3 years removed from high school.

    The NCAA/NFL have basically conspired to exploit these kids so they can get a completely free minor leauge farm system in place and reap all the rewards and benefits without any of the risk.

    As I already said but you don't seem to grasp the concept.

    You don't have to play football. It is a matter of free will.

    In dog fighting an animal is forced to fight against its will. So the comparison is idiotic.

    Aussie

  • ASBamaguy said...

    Uh, yes, they have a choice. They can choose not to play the sport at all if they feel it is a health risk. How the hell could anyone argue there is no choice?

    This guy will argue with you until he is blue in the face.

    Aussie

  • I hate when they say the players don't compensate..

    They get a full scholarship to do what theyvlove and money back after they graduate, plus audition for the NFL, if that doesn't work then u have a free education.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    I don't think it's that simple, though. Not saying Gladwell's right, but the choice isn't simply play or don't play CFB, it's play CFB, go to college, get and education, and go somewhere in life or don't play, don't go to college, and end up poor or in a gang or dead for some of these kids.

    There are plenty of other options available besides those two.

    ASBamaguy

  • For a poor, underprivileged black teenager living in a terrible neighborhood and on food stamps? I'd like to hear one option comparable to what playing CFB offers.

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  • Lesticals said...

    I hate when they say the players don't compensate..

    They get a full scholarship to do what theyvlove and money back after they graduate, plus audition for the NFL, if that doesn't work then u have a free education.

    Exactly. They get a scholarship worth a couple hundred thousand dollars.

    I would have loved to have such an opportunity.

    Aussie