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Marijuana Legalization: Yes/No? Why/Why Not?

  • What should the legal age limit be? 18? 21?

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  • Yes please...

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  • Go Blue Ranger said...

    What should the legal age limit be? 18? 21?

    18. Kids are going to do it anyways, why not tax them on it?

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    CMXI

  • Go Blue Ranger said...

    What should the legal age limit be? 18? 21?

    It should be the same as alcohol

    But alcohol should be 18

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  • Legalize it and tax the bejesus out of it.

    There is no reason that tobacco should be legal while marijuana is not. Can it be abused? Sure, but so can many other legally obtained drugs.

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  • i really dont mind it personally

    but as a business owner that puts a lot of people in cars and even eighteen wheelers, i'm against it

    its too hard to test for on the spot and its just scary to have somone rolling down the highway with 90,000 lbs thats really hard to stop with a guy being high

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  • Go Blue Ranger said...

    What should the legal age limit be? 18? 21?

    18 and leave alcohol at 21. More potheads than alcoholics would be a good thing.

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  • msudawg12 said...

    i really dont mind it personally

    but as a business owner that puts a lot of people in cars and even eighteen wheelers, i'm against it

    its too hard to test for on the spot and its just scary to have somone rolling down the highway with 90,000 lbs thats really hard to stop with a guy being high

    good chance a stoned driver is driving more carefully than a sober one.

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  • josh1976gator said...

    YES Legalize it!!

    Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

    The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

    Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

    * All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

    * It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

    * REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

    * George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

    * Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

    * For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

    * 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

    * The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

    * The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

    * Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

    * Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

    * In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

    * Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

    * Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

    * Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

    * Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

    The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

    '...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

    ...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

    ...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

    Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.

    Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that hemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:

    'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds. ...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'

    In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

    William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

    In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

    I know to long, but its worth a read anyway.

    Good Stuff... worth reposting to make sure people read this.

    What is the legal age to purchase cigarettes in the US? Whatever that is then marijuana should be the same.

    However, for medical issues, I don't think there should be an age limit.

    Marijuana is legal (in various forms) in 18 states. There are another 21 states that have plans of some type to put medical Cannabis on the ballot this year (not all will make it on the ballot).

    We are headed that direction...it's just sad that it will be too late for many people.

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  • Shankopotamus3924 said...

    good chance a stoned driver is driving more carefully than a sober one.

    irrelevant when it comes to liability in court

    and the thing about DOT laws regarding any vehicle over 10,000 lbs is that you have to pass drug tests by federal law to have a commercial license. so, truck drivers etc in colorado still cant smoke

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  • msudawg12 said...

    irrelevant when it comes to liability in court

    and the thing about DOT laws regarding any vehicle over 10,000 lbs is that you have to pass drug tests by federal law to have a commercial license. so, truck drivers etc in colorado still cant smoke

    So what are you worried about then?

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  • msudawg12 said...

    i really dont mind it personally

    but as a business owner that puts a lot of people in cars and even eighteen wheelers, i'm against it

    its too hard to test for on the spot and its just scary to have somone rolling down the highway with 90,000 lbs thats really hard to stop with a guy being high

    I understand... and I have employees that are driving 18 wheelers also.

    Like most other new technology, it is developed by need. Currently there is no field test to detect if someone is under the influence of THC. THC can stay in your body for weeks or even a month (depending on the variety) but NOT effect your ability to drive, work, whatever.

    We are a country full of very smart people. If there is a need, a test will be created. I have faith in that.

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  • Shankopotamus3924 said...

    good chance a stoned driver is driving more carefully than a sober one.

    Not sure about the science behind that, but the effects of weed go away much quicker than those of alcohol. If a person smokes, they might be good to drive in an hour or two, whereas alcohol may take several more hours before you're sober enough to drive.

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  • tbdbitl said...

    We are a country full of very smart people.

    Just when I thought we were in total agreement.

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  • Black Shipley said...

    So what are you worried about then?

    you know as well as i do that if its legal in the state people will try to get around the other tests

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  • tbdbitl said...

    I understand... and I have employees that are driving 18 wheelers also.

    Like most other new technology, it is developed by need. Currently there is no field test to detect if someone is under the influence of THC. THC can stay in your body for weeks or even a month (depending on the variety) but NOT effect your ability to drive, work, whatever.

    We are a country full of very smart people. If there is a need, a test will be created. I have faith in that.

    good point and hopefully so

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  • CMXI said...

    That movie has the best gifs.

    Case in point - I made a senior partner at my firm laugh by sending him this one and saying "This is how you feel after losing a case, isn't it?"

    What an awesome website.

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  • Final Countdown said...

    Not sure about the science behind that, but the effects of weed go away much quicker than those of alcohol. If a person smokes, they might be good to drive in an hour or two, whereas alcohol may take several more hours before you're sober enough to drive.

    What I think he/she is referring to is the slight paranoia that accompanies the usage (so I hear). This usually causes a more strict adherence to traffic laws for fear of getting pulled over. Then again, if it were legalized, I wonder if this type of behavior would change.

    Black Shipley

  • cockfool said...

    What an awesome website.

    I've gotten so much use out of that site.

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  • msudawg12 said...

    you know as well as i do that if its legal in the state people will try to get around the other tests

    So "truck drivers etc in colorado still cant smoke" wasn't really your point. Your point was that they still aren't supposed to smoke but they'll try to get around the other tests? I'm just picking up what youre putting down.

    I still don't see how that should concern you, and it seems as though a little paperwork could be drafted up to CYA just in case.

    Black Shipley

  • Black Shipley said...

    Just when I thought we were in total agreement.

    Well... there are bad apples in every barrel smoke

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  • Black Shipley said...

    So "truck drivers etc in colorado still cant smoke" wasn't really your point. Your point was that they still aren't supposed to smoke but they'll try to get around the other tests? I'm just picking up what youre putting down.

    I still don't see how that should concern you, and it seems as though a little paperwork could be drafted up to CYA just in case.

    Exactly... if our biggest concern is that DUID (Driving under the influence of Drugs) MAY rise, well... that is a pretty easy battle to fight.

    My God, we have so many bigger issues in this country that will probably never be fixed or agreed upon. This just seems like a no brainer.

    People are dying and suffereing and we have someing that is cheap and easily produced and distributed. that can help...... What the fu*k is wrong with us?

    This post was edited by tbdbitl on 2/1/2013 at 3:17 PM

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  • Yes for medical purposes, no for recreational uses. Why? Because the effects will likely be dulled down tremendously and large industries will manufacture it in a similar fashion to how cigarettes are made and possibly have similar additives as cigarettes have.

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  • CMXI said...

    What do you think, and why?

    No, dangerous drug and detrimental to peoples mental health. I think its a far more dangerous drug than most of the pro pot people. Do we really want to make it more readily available?

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