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  • MrWoodson said...

    His death also doesn't change the fact that he's never been charged let alone convicted of anything. You don't get to just skip that part and automatically assume guilt because he is dead.

    you can't charge a dead man.

    it's a fact that he did not report the suspicion of sexual abuse of children to the proper authorities (read: the state, not his boss). there is no disputing this.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    you can't charge a dead man.

    it's a fact that he did not report the suspicion of sexual abuse of children to the proper authorities (read: the state, not his boss). there is no disputing this.

    The Attorney General had this info when JoePa was alive, but did not charge him. Are you saying you know Pennsylvania law better than the Attorney General?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/17/2012 at 2:26 PM

    MrWoodson

  • what the attorney general did, or did not do, has zero relevance in this discussion.

    joe pa was required by law to report the suspicion to the state, and he did not. this is a fact. it is not in question.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    what the attorney general did, or did not do, has zero relevance in this discussion.

    joe pa was required by law to report the suspicion to the state, and he did not. this is a fact. it is not in question.

    Oh, really? Because I thought we were discussing the law (I mean, you were the one quoting it). The fact is he did report it and in doing so complied with the law. That is why the AG did not charge him.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/17/2012 at 2:34 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    The fact is he did report it and in doing so complied with the law.

    false. he did not report it to the proper authority. his boss is not the state. child protective services (or whatever that agency is in pa) or the police - that's it.

    i can't believe this is even a point of contention. it's black and white.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    false. he did not report it to the proper authority. his boss is not the state. child protective services (or whatever that agency is in pa) or the police - that's it.

    i can't believe this is even a point of contention. it's black and white.

    Please cite the case law that supports your claim. And, if so, why did the AG charge Curley and Schultz but not Paterno? You are wrong and you know it. Just because you type untrue stuff on a message board does not make those things true.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/17/2012 at 3:04 PM

    MrWoodson

  • i already cited the law. it's black and white and joe pa did not follow it.

    i have no idea why the pa ag charged curley and schultz but not paterno. perhaps you should ask him that question.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    dying before conviction doesn't make him any less guilty

    Pennsylvania Professionals Required to Report Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6311 Persons required to report include, but are not limited to: • Licensed physicians, osteopaths, medical examiners, coroners, funeral directors, dentists, optometrists • chiropractors, podiatrists, interns, nurses, or hospital personnel • Christian Science practitioners or members of the clergy • School administrators, teachers, school nurses, social services workers, daycare center workers, or any other child • care or foster care workers • Mental health professionals • Peace officers or law enforcement officials

    He wasn't charged either. And based on that list, with good reason.

    Oh and by the way, it appears that USC still has OJ's number retired. Just saying.

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  • roger huerta said...

    i already cited the law. it's black and white and joe pa did not follow it.

    i have no idea why the pa ag charged curley and schultz but not paterno. perhaps you should ask him that question.

    Exactly which of those categories did Joe fall into?

    What the AG does is very relevant. Believe it or not, the chances are high that he knows more about the law than you do.

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  • Good thing the OP of this post isn't an Ohio State fan. Otherwise he would be accused of fanning the flames because of recruiting interests. It can't just be that this is a major scandal that warrants a ton of discussion. SMH.

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  • roger huerta said...

    i already cited the law. it's black and white and joe pa did not follow it.

    i have no idea why the pa ag charged curley and schultz but not paterno. perhaps you should ask him that question.

    No need to ask. She put out a statement and had a press conference at that time. She even praised Paterno for his cooperation. In answering a reporter's question why Paterno was not charged, she said "we believe that under the statute he had a responsibility to report it to school administrators, and he did that."

    You really should stop making sh%t up. It ruins your credibility.

    http://www.legal-knowledge.info/statute/pa-attorney-general-says-paterno-followed-reporti.html

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/17/2012 at 3:27 PM

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  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    Good thing the OP of this post isn't an Ohio State fan. Otherwise he would be accused of fanning the flames because of recruiting interests. It can't just be that this is a major scandal that warrants a ton of discussion. SMH.

    I know it's hard to believe, but everything's not about Ohio State.

    MrWoodson

  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    Good thing the OP of this post isn't an Ohio State fan. Otherwise he would be accused of fanning the flames because of recruiting interests. It can't just be that this is a major scandal that warrants a ton of discussion. SMH.

    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to leave you out. Here's your cover up scandal.

    Michael Swango: Doctor of Death — Pre-Med(itation?) — Crime Library on truTV.com

    Michael Swango was a serial killer known as Dr. Death, from Crime Library.

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    chasfcd11

  • psubills62 said...

    Remove OJ Simpson from the HOF first and then we'll talk.

    Who cares about a flipping statue of a dead guy? People have an opportunity to help support victims of child abuse and instead they blow the money on a plane with a banner declaring that they'll perform a crime if the statue isn't taken down.

    Maybe I'm alone in this, but helping suffering people who are alive is more important than razing some piece of metal.

    Without reading past this post...what if they did both?

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  • Pretty sure the Freeh Report uncovered e-mails that the AG office did not have during grand jury testimony. Those e-mails were turned over to the AG and are being used in the trials against Schultz and Curley, and will likely lead to Spanier being charged. Those same e-mails would have lead to Paterno being charged as well.

    This post was edited by eastcoastghost on 7/17/2012 at 6:38 PM

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  • eastcoastghost said...

    Pretty sure the Freeh Report uncovered e-mails that the AG office did not have during grand jury testimony. Those e-mails were turned over to the AG and are being used in the trials against Schultz and Curley, and will likely lead to Spanier being charged. Those same e-mails would have lead to Paterno being charged as well.

    At this point, if they haven't changed their mind about their hero, they never will

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  • MrWoodson said...

    It ruins your credibility.

    oh noes! not my credibility!

    joe pa didn't do what he should have done - which is report to the state. if he'd have gone to the cops like he was required to do, kids wouldn't have been raped. if he wouldn't have pushed to keep it in house, kids wouldn't have been raped. he's every bit as guilty as sandusky.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    oh noes! not my credibility!

    joe pa didn't do what he should have done - which is report to the state. if he'd have gone to the cops like he was required to do, kids wouldn't have been raped. if he wouldn't have pushed to keep it in house, kids wouldn't have been raped. he's every bit as guilty as sandusky.

    I appreciate your attempt to bring facts to the table but all you have done is prove yourself wrong with those facts. You can make lots of arguments that hold water - "Paterno should have done more", "Paterno should have followed up", "Paterno should have demanded that GS, GS, TC alert further authorities" - but that fact is PA law as well as university policy does not require him to report. You mentioned a rather lengthy list of mandatory reporters earlier ITT yet you failed to realize that Paterno falls into none of those categories. He is not an administrator and, as part of his job, does not come into contact with minors. That is the law. His duty in the state of PA, as a NON-WITNESS to the crime was to alert his superiors that there was an eye-witness to a potential assault. He did that and the rest is history. Now we can argue until we are blue in the face what which person knew, we can play connect the dots with emails until the cows come home and we can scream at the top of our lungs that we absolutely no WHY these men made the decisions they did but the truth is we will likely never know.

    As has been clearly stated in the multiple articles linked ITT it is clear that far too often when people of power are met with difficult and uncomfortable situations they make the wrong choices. In the most grave of those cases those choices result in ruined lives and even death. Instead of yelling at each other, flying planes with threats to tear down some stupid statue why don't we realize that there is an epidemic in this country to avoid and cover up rather than face the music. There is nothing more horrible than what these victims have gone through but this case will serve as a case study for many many years. We can all learn from this, we can all join the fight to help people affected by abuse and hopefully in the end countless children will be spared these scars in the future.

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  • roger huerta said...

    oh noes! not my credibility!

    joe pa didn't do what he should have done - which is report to the state. if he'd have gone to the cops like he was required to do, kids wouldn't have been raped. if he wouldn't have pushed to keep it in house, kids wouldn't have been raped. he's every bit as guilty as sandusky.

    You're right. It is sort of pointless to start worrying about your credibility at this point. I withdraw my comment.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 7/17/2012 at 10:15 PM

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    You're right. It is sort of pointless to start worrying about your credibility at this point. I withdraw my comment.

    This coming from the Guy that responded to my post by saying OJ murdered 2 people, although he was acquitted in his criminal case. Later found responsible for wrongful death in a civil court. Yet you are throwing around that Joe was innocent and not even charged. I'm convinced that Joe would have been charged with something in regards to all of this eventually. If they would've ended up not having anything to charge him with, laws would've been changed accordingly.

    Sidenote- I along with any other human being with at least 3 brain cells know he murdered those 2. I just find your statements hypocritical.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Remove OJ Simpson from the HOF first and then we'll talk.

    Who cares about a flipping statue of a dead guy? People have an opportunity to help support victims of child abuse and instead they blow the money on a plane with a banner declaring that they'll perform a crime if the statue isn't taken down.

    Maybe I'm alone in this, but helping suffering people who are alive is more important than razing some piece of metal.

    If that was your kid that got ass raped you would have a far different opinion on the statue let alone the entire situation ....

    Statue needs to be removed due to the fact it is a constant reminder to the victims...

    Stay thirsty my friends......

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