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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Chris is an EE, plus you should see his facebook page. biggrin

    Ha, I'm guessing his FB page won't jibe too well with my alternate reality? But how could I possibly find it? I alone have two friends on FB named Chris Hawkins. I can't imagine how many are on there in total...

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    As long as he remains negotiable I'm keeping my hopes alive

    Once again agy, the adults are talking. Shut up.

    Brem why do you think chip is slow playing and not making moves with recruiting moving earlier this year?

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Once again agy, the adults are talking. Shut up.

    Brem why do you think chip is slow playing and not making moves with recruiting moving earlier this year?

    Perhaps Chip already has one foot out the door and could care less about what transpires furthermore at Oregon after this upcoming season.

    Ray4SC

  • Ray4SC said...

    Perhaps Chip already has one foot out the door and could care less about what transpires furthermore at Oregon after this upcoming season.

    He's not leaving till he tries out the new jacuzzi and TV.

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    TrojanWarrior1

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Once again agy, the adults are talking. Shut up.

    Brem why do you think chip is slow playing and not making moves with recruiting moving earlier this year?

    My guess is that it's for one of, if not all of these reasons combined:

    1. CK doesn't particularly enjoy recruiting. No question the guy is impatient and irritable. Insert the whimsy of your average 17-year-old with a dash of entitlement and it has to give the man hives.
    2. He's reticent to revisit a potential time bomb of bad press... The L Blounts and Cliff Harris' not only reflect poorly on him but they are a nightmare to deal with (see reason 1). Ergo, Oregon now goes above and beyond most schools in the 'character' vetting process. This takes time.
    3. They have spent a few years spinning their wheels chasing high profile players: See Bryce Brown, Pryor, Lattimore... At least 50-60% of all the top recruits list some interest in Oregon now - but that does not necessarily translate to anything other than that. Merely interest. So now they want the kids to come to campus first to really prove it... Problem is, Eugene doesn't have a LAX. It can be a planes, trains and autos hassle to get there.
    4. They have always closed late and stong... They felt they would have no problem doing so again... Hubris. Regrettably it looks like they may have been caught with their quacks in their hands here...
    5. They want to make up for what they do not have in the way of homegrowns and location by creating a veneer of exclusivity. The, 'oh we don't just offer any 5 star. He has to be special.' Kind of like the velvet rope and doorman in front of a bar with five people inside... I think they are trying to create an artificial buzz

    Lastly, there has been some speculation that they have curtailed some recruiting efforts as an advance 'mea culpa' to the NCAA. I don't find this very credible for a variety of reasons... But you never know.

    brem22

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Once again agy, the adults are talking. Shut up.

    Brem why do you think chip is slow playing and not making moves with recruiting moving earlier this year?

    I really do think LK caught everyone in the PAC with their pants around their ankles. In years past the PAC never has gone Texas style recruiting. Plenty of signing day activity, and that includes SC. I do not ever remember SC closing a class this fast... I think it actually has less to do with the immediacy of filling a smaller class and more to do with what LK picked up in the SEC. He's always been an insane recruiter - Now he's just fine tuning his prowess.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    I really do think LK caught everyone in the PAC with their pants around their ankles. In years past the PAC never has gone Texas style recruiting. Plenty of signing day activity, and that includes SC. I do not ever remember SC closing a class this fast... I think it actually has less to do with the immediacy of filling a smaller class and more to do with what LK picked up in the SEC. He's always been an insane recruiter - Now he's just fine tuning his prowess.

    When the sanctions were announced USC appealed knowing that they would get no relief but it gave them an extra year to get a recruiting strategy into place. They accepted the bowl ban instantly but extended the scholarship reduction until the appeal was heard.

    This hyper agressive "only 15 spots available" strategy worked because the right guys were targeted and committed early. They proceeded to help the great staff recruit the players they camped with and it's worked.

    Now keeping them is the new battle especially the oos guys.

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    Under Review

  • Under Review said...

    When the sanctions were announced USC appealed knowing that they would get no relief but it gave them an extra year to get a recruiting strategy into place. They accepted the bowl ban instantly but extended the scholarship reduction until the appeal was heard.

    This hyper agressive "only 15 spots available" strategy worked because the right guys were targeted and committed early. They proceeded to help the great staff recruit the players they camped with and it's worked.

    Now keeping them is the new battle especially the oos guys.

    Don't get me wrong, the overall strategy has been brilliant and pretty clear... I'm just positing that if SC wasn't under any sanctions at all I could easily see LK taking taking the early route regardless. Interesting, if not slightly nerve wracking position to be in though... After the next two recruits it will be no news is good news, unless it's regarding '14...

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    Ha, I'm guessing his FB page won't jibe too well with my alternate reality? But how could I possibly find it? I alone have two friends on FB named Chris Hawkins. I can't imagine how many are on there in total...

    Well my dear, it's better that you don't see what is all over his page...or read Ramsey's quote that it was Chris that recruited him the hardest to USC.

    I can say this to you as well, Chris is a 4.0 student, and could very easily qualified, and committed to Stanford....he's looking for a program that is tradition rich, and quality academics.

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 7/18/2012 at 7:34 PM

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    "Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil

    usctrojan1

  • usctrojan1 said...

    Well my dear, it's better that you don't see what is all over his page...or read Ramsey's quote that it was Chris that recruited him the hardest to USC.

    I can say this to you as well, Chris is a 4.0 student, and could very easily qualified, and committed to Stanford....he's looking for a program that is tradition rich, and quality academics.

    I did not know that little factlet on his IQ. But tradition rich and quality academics? Now you're just gloating. And I'm no where near ready to concede the latter, yet. Particularly when one of my sisters (a semi-recent alum) delights in using it to denigrate my own intelligence. As in, "if you had to apply to SC today you'd never get in".

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    I did not know that little factlet on his IQ. But tradition rich and quality academics? Now you're just gloating. And I'm no where near ready to concede the latter, yet. Particularly when one of my sisters (a semi-recent alum) delights in using it to denigrate my own intelligence. As in, "if you had to apply to SC today you'd never get in".

    LOL..that's cold, and arrogant, but I'm not talking about your Alma Mater my dear.

    There is a life long Trojan fan that recently graduated from Cal...his dream school was USC, but he wasn't accepted. So...who knows?

    The four California PAC-10 schools are all excellent...some a little more than others!

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 7/18/2012 at 8:21 PM

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    "Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil

    usctrojan1

  • usctrojan1 said...

    LOL..that's cold, and arrogant, but I'm not talking about your Alma Mater my dear.

    There is a life long Trojan fan that recently graduated from Cal...his dream school was USC, but he wasn't accepted. So...who knows?

    The four California PAC-10 schools are all excellent...some a little more than others!

    Whaaaaat? I refuse to believe this. It's USC propaganda. This person does not exist. His parents couldn't foot the bill. That can be the only reason.

    On a serious note, the other day I got a whiff of undergrad tuition at SC... It's like 50K, min. Are you effing kidding me? That's preposterous. I'd take the SC scholarship just to tell anyone who'd listen "I'm walking around this place for free"...

    If any ND alum happens to wander into this dead thread please tell me you guys aren't that steep w tuition...

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    My guess is that it's for one of, if not all of these reasons combined:

    1. CK doesn't particularly enjoy recruiting. No question the guy is impatient and irritable. Insert the whimsy of your average 17-year-old with a dash of entitlement and it has to give the man hives. 2. He's reticent to revisit a potential time bomb of bad press... The L Blounts and Cliff Harris' not only reflect poorly on him but they are a nightmare to deal with (see reason 1). Ergo, Oregon now goes above and beyond most schools in the 'character' vetting process. This takes time. 3. They have spent a few years spinning their wheels chasing high profile players: See Bryce Brown, Pryor, Lattimore... At least 50-60% of all the top recruits list some interest in Oregon now - but that does not necessarily translate to anything other than that. Merely interest. So now they want the kids to come to campus first to really prove it... Problem is, Eugene doesn't have a LAX. It can be a planes, trains and autos hassle to get there. 4. They have always closed late and stong... They felt they would have no problem doing so again... Hubris. Regrettably it looks like they may have been caught with their quacks in their hands here... 5. They want to make up for what they do not have in the way of homegrowns and location by creating a veneer of exclusivity. The, 'oh we don't just offer any 5 star. He has to be special.' Kind of like the velvet rope and doorman in front of a bar with five people inside... I think they are trying to create an artificial buzz

    Lastly, there has been some speculation that they have curtailed some recruiting efforts as an advance 'mea culpa' to the NCAA. I don't find this very credible for a variety of reasons... But you never know.

    Thanks for that. Nice to see it broken down, I can't read all of the VIP stuff on DT. I'm sure Chip will find guys to fit his system. Plenty of athletes on the table.

    Alonzo Harris