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Miami's response to the NCAA...

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Court has no say so in ncaa. Ncaa follow their own rules, not the court.

    But even if ur right, sanctions will already b served by the time anything is decided. Plus ncaa will hold a grudge.

    No... the State of PA filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. I am right... if PA wins, the sanctions get removed. The problem with your statement is that the NCAA didn't even follow their own rules, they made them up, something that is a big no-no for monopolies (which the NCAA is per the courts).

    The case is moving along pretty quickly so far. The thing is that if PA is found to have "standing", this will likely never reach the discovery stage because the NCAA doesn't want to be probed and subjected revealing their inner workings. If that is the case, a settlement is likely to follow.

    This post was edited by getmyjive11 on 2/18/2013 at 9:34 PM

    getmyjive11 ●

  • NCAA went bankrupt investigating Auburn over the years......IMO

    DawgCommander ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    No... the State of PA filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. I am right... if PA wins, the sanctions get removed. The problem with your statement is that the NCAA didn't even follow their own rules, they made them up, something that is a big no-no for monopolies (which the NCAA is per the courts).

    The case is moving along pretty quickly so far. The thing is that if PA is found to have "standing", this will likely never reach the discovery stage because the NCAA doesn't want to be probed and subjected revealing their inner workings. If that is the case, a settlement is likely to follow.

    Ncaa routinely goes against it's own rules and make rules up as they go....psu isn't the first n won't b the last.

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ITT Miami fans continue unmatched delusion

    1- They haven't been on sanctions for years and still have sucked

    2- The NCAA can still do whatever it wants, lolz at Lamp and others saying Miami won't accept harsh sanctions

    3- Sanctions will come and harsh or not they will set Miami back even further

    4- This is nothing more than Miami doing what Miami does, and if by come miracle they are let off the hook they will be up to no good in no time at all.... and then its no turning back, and Miami will be destroyed

    5- lolz lolz lolz, Miami sucks

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    NoVaNoles ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    ITT Miami fans continue unmatched delusion

    1- They haven't been on sanctions for years and still have sucked

    2- The NCAA can still do whatever it wants, lolz at Lamp and others saying Miami won't accept harsh sanctions

    3- Sanctions will come and harsh or not they will set Miami back even further

    4- This is nothing more than Miami doing what Miami does, and if by come miracle they are let off the hook they will be up to no good in no time at all.... and then its no turning back, and Miami will be destroyed

    5- lolz lolz lolz, Miami sucks

    roflmao

    R.I.P Sean Taylor.

    abs_da_don

  • NoVaNoles said...

    ITT Miami fans continue unmatched delusion

    1- They haven't been on sanctions for years and still have sucked

    2- The NCAA can still do whatever it wants, lolz at Lamp and others saying Miami won't accept harsh sanctions

    3- Sanctions will come and harsh or not they will set Miami back even further

    4- This is nothing more than Miami doing what Miami does, and if by come miracle they are let off the hook they will be up to no good in no time at all.... and then its no turning back, and Miami will be destroyed

    5- lolz lolz lolz, Miami sucks

    Frankly, ncaa will do what it wants and miami will have no choice but to accept it.

    As for psu, they already accepted their penalty and turned down any appeal opportunity. NOW they think it's unfair? Why didn't they go thru the appellate process afforded them?

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • Try harder Nova.

    R.I.P Sean Taylor.

    abs_da_don

  • He does have a point that Miami has sucked off of sanctions with Golden and the recruiting classes aren't adding up.

    fsufsu

  • NoVaNoles said...

    ITT Miami fans continue unmatched delusion

    1- They haven't been on sanctions for years and still have sucked

    2- The NCAA can still do whatever it wants, lolz at Lamp and others saying Miami won't accept harsh sanctions

    3- Sanctions will come and harsh or not they will set Miami back even further

    4- This is nothing more than Miami doing what Miami does, and if by come miracle they are let off the hook they will be up to no good in no time at all.... and then its no turning back, and Miami will be destroyed

    5- lolz lolz lolz, Miami sucks

    OH HE MAD frustrated

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    ilovelamp51 ●

  • fsufsu said...

    He does have a point that Miami has sucked off of sanctions with Golden and the recruiting classes aren't adding up.

    14th & 8th aren't exactly terrible. shrug

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    ilovelamp51 ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Frankly, ncaa will do what it wants and miami will have no choice but to accept it.

    fail

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    ilovelamp51 ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Ncaa routinely goes against it's own rules and make rules up as they go....psu isn't the first n won't b the last.

    The problem is that in every other case, they could point to a bylaw where there was a clear infraction. In PSU's case, they cannot do that.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    fail

    U obviously don't much about the history of the ncaa. Like I said, emmert outs a media whore and that's ur only basis for hope. Every president sends a "scathing" letter to ncaa and every fan sees a legal way out for his school.

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    The problem is that in every other case, they could point to a bylaw where there was a clear infraction. In PSU's case, they cannot do that.

    So why didnt you take advantage of the appellate process?

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    U obviously don't much about the history of the ncaa. Like I said, emmert outs a media whore and that's ur only basis for hope. Every president sends a "scathing" letter to ncaa and every fan sees a legal way out for his school.

    But not every school has their home state sue they NCAA. In fact, only one has.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    But not every school has their home state sue they NCAA. In fact, only one has.

    The ncaa governs thw school, not the state. The school turned away it's appeals and fully accepted the penalty. Dont you think that carries a ton of weight on a decision reversal?

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    The ncaa governs thw school, not the state. The school turned away it's appeals and fully accepted the penalty. Dont you think that carries a ton of weight on a decision reversal?

    The only thing that carries weight is whether the state has "standing" or not. If it does (and it looks 50/50 now) the feeling from legal analysts is that it is likely that PA will win.

    The state is arguing that the consent decree was signed under duress. Also, the decree was never approved by the BOT of PSU, so it is not technically "official".

    getmyjive11 ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Every president sends a "scathing" letter to ncaa and every fan sees a legal way out

    Go on. coffee

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    ilovelamp51 ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    The problem is that in every other case, they could point to a bylaw where there was a clear infraction. In PSU's case, they cannot do that.

    And the governing body of the NCAA voted to let Emmert completely assess any penalties he wanted, completely circumventing the normal process. Penn State, wanting to do the right thing did not put up a fight and fully accepted the Freeh Report. Frekkin Emmert punished em for it too.

    VTSmitty ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    U obviously don't much about the history of the ncaa.

    Look at the history of the US........ Times change my friend.

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    ilovelamp51 ●

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Look at the history of the US........ Times change my friend.

    So penn state and miami will be the first?

    You don't beat the ncaa in court bc they don't follow ur rules....or any rules for that matter.

    The cases against bama were littered with secret witnesses that they wouldn't even reveal and statements made under duress/coerced. U just have to catch them on a good day bc there is no pattern or fairness discernable in their rulings.

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    So penn state and miami will be the first?

    You don't beat the ncaa in court bc they don't follow ur rules....or any rules for that matter.

    The cases against bama were littered with secret witnesses that they wouldn't even reveal and statements made under duress/coerced. U just have to catch them on a good day bc there is no pattern or fairness discernable in their rulings.

    Well you do realize their are 3 lawsuits currently agaisnt the NCAA, remember the Coach from USC still has his lawsuit can't remember his name. Second you have Penn Govenor has the lawsuit and next you have some organization who has filed a lawsuit based on the fact Coaches who have a record that can't get a job.

    Miami has some serious evidence to take in court based on the fact how can you pay a criminal in prison and give him a burner phone, Wow you mean to tell me you also pay
    his attorney as well. Hmmm can you say some lawyer who wants to make a big time name for himself or herself won't be lining up to take this case.

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    Redzulu ●

  • rolBAMAballs said...

    I blame Obama for this mess

    I knew that Kenyan was responsible for this.

    R.I.P Sean Taylor.

    abs_da_don

  • Regardless of the Ncaa mistakes Miami needs at least
    30-35 scholarship reduction
    Bowl ban for 1 more year
    maybe 1 year with no TV
    5 years probation

    That's probably going a little easy on them.

    They really need to implement the type of instutitional controls and compliance safeguards that others have.
    You know high profile programs demand high profile.....

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    So penn state and miami will be the first?

    You don't beat the ncaa in court bc they don't follow ur rules....or any rules for that matter.

    The cases against bama were littered with secret witnesses that they wouldn't even reveal and statements made under duress/coerced. U just have to catch them on a good day bc there is no pattern or fairness discernable in their rulings.

    First of all, the NCAA has already lost in court before, but it wasn't about compliance, it was about TV rights (which is why schools now own them and the NCAA doesn't). That is also where the NCAA was found to be a monopoly.

    All the other lawsuits against the NCAA have come from individuals or small organizations with limited resources. Do you wonder why the USC coach's lawsuit has been ongoing for awhile? It's because the NCAA knows that he likely will not be able to financially support keeping this fight going if it continues to get delayed. That is not the case with the State of PA. Never has the NCAA gone up against a plantiff that has virtually unlimited resources and at least equal legal council. They can't simply bully the state like they do others. It's not like anything we have seen before.

    getmyjive11 ●

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