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Michigan Picks Up 15th Commit

  • MercuryHayes said

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    TJMMBuckeyes said...
    (I'm pretty sure Texas just recenty had a worse season than us and is completely irrelevant. Plus, I'm pretty sure they have always been an advocate of filling up early but they were doing it even more the last few years.
    The spread in the big ten? Oh yeah. That one offense that won 2 national championships, multiple SEC championships, etc. The same spread that tore up a defense that beat the hell out of every offense in the big ten? Yeah. Nice try. If it worked in the SEC, it will work anywhere. Plus, Rodriguez didn't half 1/4 of the recruiting ability that Meyer has. Meyer wins with stellar defenses, btw.)

    Meyer's spread worked so well in the SEC because he had Tim Freakin' Tebow. The one advantage that Tebow has over every other spread QB except Cam Newton, and including DRob is that he can run power. Not only was he the QB, but was also the power runner. Every offense needs that to be great, even spread offenses. Even in his freshman year when Leak was the started, Tebow came in and ran power when they needed it. But I do agree with you that Meyer also had some great defenses. All championship teams do, and all will (except maybe Auburn, but their D picked up a lot at the end of the season).

    Yes. The whole reason Meyer's offense sucked his last year was because he had no inside run game. I don't know what you want me to say? Urban Meyer, meet Bri'onte Dunn(fr), Warren Ball(fr), Carlos Hyde(jr), and Rod Smith(soph). There's your inside run game.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    I reccomend smartfootball.com if you guys want to seem knowledgable about the spread. You seem to think it's just throwing screens and QB draws all day. It's not. It's getting the ball to your best players and being able to run the football out of spread formations and utilizing other teams weaknesses. Oregon also takes the opponents best player, in the front 7, out of the game with the inside zone read and the outside zone read. I would run the spread if I was a coach.

    I'll provide some links if you want to be able to seriously talk about the spread instead of "the cold HARR harr"

    Read this

    How does the weather affect a football game and its handicapping? | Wiki Sports Book

    http://www.wikisportsbook.com/questions/football-betting/how-does-the-weather-affect-a-football-game-and-its-handicapping/

    www.wikisportsbook.com
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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    MercuryHayes said

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    TJMMBuckeyes said... (I'm pretty sure Texas just recenty had a worse season than us and is completely irrelevant. Plus, I'm pretty sure they have always been an advocate of filling up early but they were doing it even more the last few years. The spread in the big ten? Oh yeah. That one offense that won 2 national championships, multiple SEC championships, etc. The same spread that tore up a defense that beat the hell out of every offense in the big ten? Yeah. Nice try. If it worked in the SEC, it will work anywhere. Plus, Rodriguez didn't half 1/4 of the recruiting ability that Meyer has. Meyer wins with stellar defenses, btw.)

    Meyer's spread worked so well in the SEC because he had Tim Freakin' Tebow. The one advantage that Tebow has over every other spread QB except Cam Newton, and including DRob is that he can run power. Not only was he the QB, but was also the power runner. Every offense needs that to be great, even spread offenses. Even in his freshman year when Leak was the started, Tebow came in and ran power when they needed it. But I do agree with you that Meyer also had some great defenses. All championship teams do, and all will (except maybe Auburn, but their D picked up a lot at the end of the season).

    Yes. The whole reason Meyer's offense sucked his last year was because he had no inside run game. I don't know what you want me to say? Urban Meyer, meet Bri'onte Dunn(fr), Warren Ball(fr), Carlos Hyde(jr), and Rod Smith(soph). There's your inside run game.

    Who are they running behind?

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    I reccomend smartfootball.com if you guys want to seem knowledgable about the spread. You seem to think it's just throwing screens and QB draws all day. It's not. It's getting the ball to your best players and being able to run the football out of spread formations and utilizing other teams weaknesses. Oregon also takes the opponents best player, in the front 7, out of the game with the inside zone read and the outside zone read. I would run the spread if I was a coach.

    I'll provide some links if you want to be able to seriously talk about the spread instead of "the cold HARR harr"

    also our spread was literally 90% bubble screens and QB draws.

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  • If everybody is playing in the cold and it's having the same affect on everyone, the speed advantage is still there! I don't see your point.

    If Player A for Ohio State runs a 4.40 and Player B for Wisconsin runs a 4.50 and the cold adds .20 on their forty(this is just an example), wouldn't their still be a speed advantage. Ridiculous argument if you ask me.

    Once again, doesn't seem to affect Oregon.

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  • Norwell(army all American, Jack Mewhort(UA all American, Brian Bobek(Army All american), Antonio Underwood, and Reid Fragel(6'8 305, former TE). Throw in Taylor Decker and Kyle Dodson. Along with, hopefully, Bivin, Pocic, and McGovern.

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  • Ok, so you admit you're an idiot and you're just talking out of your ass. Do some research on Meyer's offense. Hack.

    This post was edited by TJMMBuckeyes on 3/11/2012 at 12:01 PM

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    If everybody is playing in the cold and it's having the same affect on everyone, the speed advantage is still there! I don't see your point.

    If Player A for Ohio State runs a 4.40 and Player B for Wisconsin runs a 4.50 and the cold adds .20 on their forty(this is just an example), wouldn't their still be a speed advantage. Ridiculous argument if you ask me.

    Once again, doesn't seem to affect Oregon.

    When it is that cold the players are slower causing the advantage of speed to diminish almost completely. How many games in the snow were decided by a speedster WR?

    Also Oregon really isn't that cold. They usually have a low temperature of about 5-10 degrees above freezing. That's in January too.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    Norwell(army all American, Jack Mewhort(UA all American, Brian Bobek(Army All american), Antonio Underwood, and Reid Fragel(6'8 305, former TE). Throw in Taylor Decker and Kyle Dodson. Along with, hopefully, Bivin, Pocic, and McGovern.

    So you are going to depend on Freshman and players new to the position against experienced B1G DEs and LBs? Let me know how that works out. Oh yeah those High school achievements almost mean absolutely nothing.

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  • You were saying it's an advantage individually. I gave you my logic. You give me this? When was the last time OSU played in snow? There's still a speed advantage individually. By your logic the left tackle is as fast as the wide receiver! Ridiculous.

    It's still cold. You guys were acting like it would only work if it was 85 in Gainesville. You should just quit, dude.

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  • "So you are going to depend on Freshman and players new to the position against experienced B1G DEs and LBs? Let me know how that works out. Oh yeah those High school achievements almost mean absolutely nothing."

    We're not going to need much experience against your defensive line. Norwell is a junior(played all 2 years), Mewhort is a junior(played 2 years), Bobek is a newbie, Underwood Is a sophomore and played last year, and Fragel is new to RT but was by far our best pass blocking TE and has the body and the frame.

    I'm also referring to the future, btw. 2013 in particular.

    The same could be said about recruiting rankings but it doesn't stop you guys from beating your chests.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    You were saying it's an advantage individually. I gave you my logic. You give me this? When was the last time OSU played in snow? There's still a speed advantage individually. By your logic the left tackle is as fast as the wide receiver! Ridiculous.

    It's still cold. You guys were acting like it would only work if it was 85 in Gainesville. You should just quit, dude.

    Dude Oregon is like 50 degrees when they play. It isn't that cold. The snow was just a term that stand for really cold weather. Once again that speed advantage goes away and slows everything down. I mean the facts are right there with NFL teams, Dolphins play great in September but when they go on the road in December what happens? They lose their advantage of speed because they are built for warm weather and a speed based offense. The fact of the matter is that the B1G is played in cold miserable weather and the teams that rely on a power rushing attack behind the strongest OL is going to win 9 out of 10 times.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    "So you are going to depend on Freshman and players new to the position against experienced B1G DEs and LBs? Let me know how that works out. Oh yeah those High school achievements almost mean absolutely nothing."

    We're not going to need much experience against your defensive line. Norwell is a junior(played all 2 years), Mewhort is a junior(played 2 years), Bobek is a newbie, Underwood Is a sophomore and played last year, and Fragel is new to RT but was by far our best pass blocking TE and has the body and the frame.

    I'm also referring to the future, btw. 2013 in particular.

    The same could be said about recruiting rankings but it doesn't stop you guys from beating your chests.

    No one gives a shit what you have to say because you lack the ability to simply post "nice pickup" or "solid prospect, good luck to him". Instead, you come in just about every thread concerning a Michigan commit and look for an angle to argue about and the "class filling up too fast" is the latest.

    Just go back to BN's circle jerk. You fit in much better there.

    c_woodson

  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    "So you are going to depend on Freshman and players new to the position against experienced B1G DEs and LBs? Let me know how that works out. Oh yeah those High school achievements almost mean absolutely nothing."

    We're not going to need much experience against your defensive line. Norwell is a junior(played all 2 years), Mewhort is a junior(played 2 years), Bobek is a newbie, Underwood Is a sophomore and played last year, and Fragel is new to RT but was by far our best pass blocking TE and has the body and the frame.

    I'm also referring to the future, btw. 2013 in particular.

    The same could be said about recruiting rankings but it doesn't stop you guys from beating your chests.

    The recruiting class is great but if you have to rely on those kids to come in and make an impact early you're screwed. Also our D sacked your QB 4 times last season but whatever. Denard was sacked....wait for it....once.

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  • "Dude Oregon is like 50 degrees when they play. It isn't that cold. The snow was just a term that stand for really cold weather. Once again that speed advantage goes away and slows everything down. I mean the facts are right there with NFL teams, Dolphins play great in September but when they go on the road in December what happens? They lose their advantage of speed because they are built for warm weather and a speed based offense. The fact of the matter is that the B1G is played in cold miserable weather and the teams that rely on a power rushing attack behind the strongest OL is going to win 9 out of 10 times."

    Thanks for actually having an argument with me. Sometimes it's fun, yknow?

    But Ohio State is in Columbus which is in Ohio which is cold. The dolphins don't have a speed advantage against any other team in the NFL because they're all fast. Maybe it's because they suck?

    By your logic, an offensive lineman is as fast as a wide receiver. Which, I'm sure you would agree, is ridiculous. The faster player is faster. In whatever conditions. Think of it in golf terms, if you hit it further than someone else and the weather is bad, you're gonna lose distance but so is he because of the weather and because you just naturally hit it further.

    That's all I'm saying and that's why I think the cold argument is bs.

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  • No one gives a shit what you have to say because you lack the ability to simply post "nice pickup" or "solid prospect, good luck to him". Instead, you come in just about every thread concerning a Michigan commit and look for an angle to argue about and the "class filling up too fast" is the latest.
    Just go back to BN's circle jerk. You fit in much better there.

    Oh, hey CWood. Still butthurt? Nice pickup, btw. I think he's the best cover corner in Ohio. Burrows is, IMO, headed to safety.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    No one gives a shit what you have to say because you lack the ability to simply post "nice pickup" or "solid prospect, good luck to him". Instead, you come in just about every thread concerning a Michigan commit and look for an angle to argue about and the "class filling up too fast" is the latest. Just go back to BN's circle jerk. You fit in much better there.

    Oh, hey CWood. Still butthurt? Nice pickup, btw. I think he's the best cover corner in Ohio. Burrows is, IMO, headed to safety.

    What do I have to be butthurt about? I'm quite happy with the commits Hoke is pulling in.

    And why didn't you lead with that comment rather than that crap about Texas not playing well because they filled up too fast, which is basically a load of crap?

    c_woodson

  • So the constant underachievement by top-rated guys is nothing to be concerned about? Ever heard of offering too early?

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    So the constant underachievement by top-rated guys is nothing to be concerned about? Ever heard of offering too early?

    So how many commits should teams have at this time? Or by the time the camp circuit starts? Are you worried about Burrows underachieving? Or Marshall? Or the 5 commits OSU will prob nab during their spring game?

    Do you think that OSU should wait until after all kids finish their senior seasons to take any commitments?

    c_woodson

  • c_woodson said...

    So how many commits should teams have at this time? Or by the time the camp circuit starts? Are you worried about Burrows underachieving? Or Marshall? Or the 5 commits OSU will prob nab during their spring game?

    Do you think that OSU should wait until after all kids finish their senior seasons to take any commitments?

    Totally arbitrary number but I would say at most 65 to 75% of a class. I am personally not a fan of early offers and commits bc nobody knows how these kids have progressed since their junior year. I would rather see the kids at camps or at least though half of senior season. One or the other would suffice for me. Some kids stagnate some make huge jumps. Some kids are just no brainers like Marshall for us. Even if he doesn't get better you have to believe he still one of the best in the nation.

    Meyer offered some sophomores recently which I personally think is ridiculous. No reason to offer someone that young.... injuries, lack of growth, lack of commitment to get better, grades, to many issues/events that can and unfortunately do happen to these young men that keep them from reaching their potential.

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  • It's because recruiting is changing before our eyes. Michigan is like Cincinnati, they offer everyone and offer everyone early.

    Love the no response by whatever his name is.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    It's because recruiting is changing before our eyes. Michigan is like Cincinnati, they offer everyone and offer everyone early.

    Love the no response by whatever his name is.

    I'm going to laugh my ass off when Meyer ends up throwing out more offers than Hoke because he missed out on the top guys on his board. I heard good ol' Urbs was on a cruise recently and is now vacationing in Utah. Tell him to get to work.

    buttesnake

  • He's relaxing. Weren't you the guys saying his heart was gonna give out or some other bullshit?

    Shouldn't you be worrying about Hoke's heart instead? Burger grease filled arteries.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    He's relaxing. Weren't you the guys saying his heart was gonna give out or some other bullshit?

    Shouldn't you be worrying about Hoke's heart instead? Burger grease filled arteries.

    Wait which coach has a history of heart disease and quitting early?

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