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  • So I'm really wondering here: how many football players have played both ways under Dantonio? So far that seems to be a selling point that the MSU coaches have made to at least 2 recruits that I'm aware of. Since that really doesn't happen much anymore these days, I was wondering if Dantonio really does use players on both sides of the ball and I just wasn't aware of it.

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  • psubills62 said...

    So I'm really wondering here: how many football players have played both ways under Dantonio? So far that seems to be a selling point that the MSU coaches have made to at least 2 recruits that I'm aware of. Since that really doesn't happen much anymore these days, I was wondering if Dantonio really does use players on both sides of the ball and I just wasn't aware of it.

    Tony Lippett has played at both CB and WR last season, more @ CB. He's now at WR full-time.

    Kellen Davis in 2007 played both TE and DE, had 2 sacks.

    Kirk Cousins played both Quarterback and Motivational Speaker

    Jeremy Langford played CB last year and RB/WR this year. He can move back and forth.

    So . . . not a ton, but it happens. It's more that one guy starts on D, then moves to O and vice-versa than they play both ways in the same season. For instance, Lawrence Thomas is a FB/H-back but started the year at DE; I don't think he'll get many defensive snaps until bowl practices (he's played well at FB/H-back though).

    Demetrious Cox is probably going to be a wildcat QB and safety next year.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Micaija Reynolds (spelling?) has shuffled between OG and DT. Same with Blake Treadwell.

    Final Countdown

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Tony Lippett has played at both CB and WR last season, more @ CB. He's now at WR full-time.

    Kellen Davis in 2007 played both TE and DE, had 2 sacks.

    Kirk Cousins played both Quarterback and Motivational Speaker

    Jeremy Langford played CB last year and RB/WR this year. He can move back and forth.

    So . . . not a ton, but it happens. It's more that one guy starts on D, then moves to O and vice-versa than they play both ways in the same season. For instance, Lawrence Thomas is a FB/H-back but started the year at DE; I don't think he'll get many defensive snaps until bowl practices (he's played well at FB/H-back though).

    Demetrious Cox is probably going to be a wildcat QB and safety next year.

    The bold part is natural in CFB due to injuries and whatnot. Just seems weird to plan on playing a player in multiple positions to begin with. Unless it's a Harvin role, I would be worried about stunting a player's growth by not having him focus on one position.

    Hope Cox gets his chance, because I know Dantonio told him that he'd play both ways.

    Thanks, Rocky.

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  • psubills62 said...

    The bold part is natural in CFB due to injuries and whatnot. Just seems weird to plan on playing a player in multiple positions to begin with. Unless it's a Harvin role, I would be worried about stunting a player's growth by not having him focus on one position.

    Hope Cox gets his chance, because I know Dantonio told him that he'd play both ways.

    Thanks, Rocky.

    Link?

    I doubt Coach D told anyone he could run both ways. Have a chance to play either D or O? Yes, but not play both ways. Dantonio wants athletes first and foremost. Top athletes can often times play mulitiple positions in high school and thus have potential to play either O or D in college.

    Rook

  • Rook said...

    Link?

    I doubt Coach D told anyone he could run both ways. Have a chance to play either D or O? Yes, but not play both ways. Dantonio wants athletes first and foremost. Top athletes can often times play mulitiple positions in high school and thus have potential to play either O or D in college.

    Yea, he was told that he could contribute as a wildcat QB and a safety; it's been in some of our premium articles from last recruiting season, and was mentioned in the fall camp notes several times. I think the idea was to use him as a wildcat this year and transition to safety next year. With the emergence of RS FR Williamson at FS, there's a bit of a log-jam at S for this year and '13 (0 SR safeties on the roster). Plan is not to burn his RS unless needed, and he should assume both roles next year, assuming Lewis isn't going pro (unlikely).

    Delton Williams is going to be looked at as everything from a WR, to a RB, to a TE/H-back, to an OLB or a SS. Don't know if he'll actually play both ways, a la Owen whatshisname (Marecic?) at Stanford that was both the starting FB and a starting LB. I remember that because he scored a TD as a fullback against ND, and on the very next snap recorded a pick-6 lol.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 10/11/2012 at 1:12 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Rook said...

    Link?

    I doubt Coach D told anyone he could run both ways. Have a chance to play either D or O? Yes, but not play both ways. Dantonio wants athletes first and foremost. Top athletes can often times play mulitiple positions in high school and thus have potential to play either O or D in college.

    I assume you were the downvote, lol. Did you not follow his recruitment? Plenty of links on Cox's recruitment. Many of them say "safety AND wide receiver." (emphasis added) I remembered reading it quite a bit with regards to Cox. I think the attached article with the following quote should bring you up to speed. Quite sure there are more similar quotes in other articles.

    “Michigan State is talking about me playing on both sides of the ball like I think it’s their No. 82 (Keshawn Martin),” Cox said.

    Like I said...that's fine if MSU wants to do that. I'd personally want a player to focus on one position for the most part. Or at least one side of the ball.

    And regarding the other recruit I had in mind, it was VIP info in the most recent Red Cedar Rumblings, which is what made me think of it.

    4-Star DB Visit This Weekend?

    Spartan defensive back target Demetrious Cox is carefully planning out his official visits. Will he start things out with a trip to Michigan State this weekend?

    michiganstate.247sports.com
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  • psubills62 said...

    I assume you were the downvote, lol. Did you not follow his recruitment? Plenty of links on Cox's recruitment. Many of them say "safety AND wide receiver." (emphasis added) I remembered reading it quite a bit with regards to Cox. I think the attached article with the following quote should bring you up to speed. Quite sure there are more similar quotes in other articles.

    “Michigan State is talking about me playing on both sides of the ball like I think it’s their No. 82 (Keshawn Martin),” Cox said.

    Like I said...that's fine if MSU wants to do that. I'd personally want a player to focus on one position for the most part. Or at least one side of the ball.

    And regarding the other recruit I had in mind, it was VIP info in the most recent Red Cedar Rumblings, which is what made me think of it.

    I don't think that necessarily means "play both positions at the same time." They could very well have meant "you have the opportunity in camp to prove yourself at either side of the ball and we'll focus you on one side later on."

    This post was edited by Final Countdown on 10/11/2012 at 1:28 PM

    Final Countdown

  • Rook said...

    Link?

    I doubt Coach D told anyone he could run both ways. Have a chance to play either D or O? Yes, but not play both ways. Dantonio wants athletes first and foremost. Top athletes can often times play mulitiple positions in high school and thus have potential to play either O or D in college.

    Rook living up to his username. Rookie move not even knowing what's up with your best recruit from last class.

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  • Final Countdown said...

    I don't think that necessarily means "play both positions at the same time." They could very well have meant "you have the opportunity in camp to prove yourself at either side of the ball and we'll focus you on one side later on."

    Considering all the quotes together, I think it's obvious that the MSU coaches are literally talking about playing him both ways. What you're referring to is indeed something coaches do, but I've not heard a single one refer to it as playing "DB and wide receiver" or "play on both sides."

    To me, either MSU coaches were recruiting him to play both sides (not just practice) or Cox misunderstood what they were saying (which does happen).

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  • psubills62 said...

    Unless it's a Harvin role, I would be worried about stunting a player's growth by not having him focus on one position.

    That is Coach Urban Meyer's line. It is copyrighted. Please refrain from using it, unless you are a part of the football staff at The Ohio State University or a fan of The Ohio State University.

    This post was edited by dkerns on 10/11/2012 at 2:16 PM

    dkerns

  • psubills62 said...

    Considering all the quotes together, I think it's obvious that the MSU coaches are literally talking about playing him both ways. What you're referring to is indeed something coaches do, but I've not heard a single one refer to it as playing "DB and wide receiver" or "play on both sides."

    To me, either MSU coaches were recruiting him to play both sides (not just practice) or Cox misunderstood what they were saying (which does happen).

    IIRC, Tony Lippett was also recruited similarly and he has gotten time at both CB and WR. It's just not effective for anyone to have to split reps because then you end up being "jack of all trades, master of none". I assume recruits understand that concept.

    Macks