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Michigan is the only blueblood......

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Why does 50 years matter?

    The real athletes a.k.a Black people took over.

    z28 foody

  • z28 foody said...

    The real athletes a.k.a Black people took over.

    No one discredits Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig because they played before Jackie Robinson. Certainly integration improved the game, but what occurred before was still football, and it still mattered.

    For example, those early Rose Bowls shaped the sport. The teams that won the early versions of that game almost all went on to be powerhouses for decades to come.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 3/20/2013 at 11:16 PM

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Why does 50 years matter? Also, "most important game" is pretty subjective. Yes, you won the game in Alabama. However, Alabama (as #2) beat #1 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl. That's a national title. Same record, beat #1 in a 1 vs 2 bowl game. And you still haven't addressed my last post.

    ,I'll answer your other post when I get home later, too hard to do long posts on mobile.

    I wasn't claiming all-time, just picking a starting point for the more modern era of college football. I don't know but I figure 100/50/25/10 year time frames would make for good breakdown's.

    How is it even in doubt that the 78 game was the most important game out of the 7 games between the teams? It was the only year they both were in the title hunt, and Bama would have won the National title in 1978 if they would have beat SC.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    ,I'll answer your other post when I get home later, too hard to do long posts on mobile.

    I wasn't claiming all-time, just picking a starting point for the more modern era of college football. I don't know but I figure 100/50/25/10 year time frames would make for good breakdown's.

    How is it even in doubt that the 78 game was the most important game out of the 7 games between the teams? It was the only year they both were in the title hunt, and Bama would have won the National title in 1978 if they would have beat SC.

    My mistake, I thought you meant the most important game out of the '78 season (which it wasn't, because Alabama's goal line stand in the 1 vs 2 Sugar Bowl, Bear Bryant vs Joe Pa was by far the most important game of the '78 season). And it did win us the NC - from the AP and most other outlets. Y'all did get the UPI, but Alabama's claim to that title is stronger in most people's eyes. A win in a 1 vs 2 bowl game is as pure as they come.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 3/20/2013 at 11:38 PM

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    My mistake, I thought you meant the most important game out of the '78 season (which it wasn't, because Alabama's goal line stand in the 1 vs 2 Sugar Bowl, Bear Bryant vs Joe Pa was by far the most important game of the '78 season). And it did win us the NC - from the AP and most other outlets. Y'all did get the UPI, but Alabama's claim to that title is stronger in most people's eyes. A win in a 1 vs 2 bowl game is as pure as they come.

    Lol. Ya, I guess Bama was a National Champion in 1978, the same way Notre Dame was this year.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • UMWolverines said...

    I think cope already took that title a few pages ago.

    very true, but at least cope hasn't made thread upon thread of trying to degrade the obvious best conference in CFB right now in hope to make his pitiful team of last season look better. I guess if you have nothing good to look forward to, the next best option is to attempt to make others look worse.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Lol. Ya, I guess Bama was a National Champion in 1978, the same way Notre Dame was this year.

    ND this year and Alabama in 1978 have a lot in common, they both only had 1 loss, they both lost to the team that won the national title and they both lost by double digits. Although, Alabama lost at home by double digits, so ND has the
    better case for a shared title than Bama did in 78.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    ND this year and Alabama in 1978 have a lot in common, they both only had 1 loss, they both lost to the team that won the national title and they both lost by double digits. Although, Alabama lost at home by double digits, so ND has the better case for a shared title than Bama did in 78.

    Except for the fact that ND lost in a #1 vs #2 bowl game (which is considered the most legitimate way to be awarded a national title in this sport) and Alabama only lost in the regular season. You are willfully ignoring that. USC lost to ASU 20-7, that's 13 points. Who cares the number of points (unless it reaches 3 TDs or something crazy)? You also present double digits as if all losses by double digits are the same. Alabama lost by 10 to USC, ND lost 42-14 this year. Huge difference, and you know it.

    The fact remains that there are countless years in college football history where multiple teams finished with one loss involving various head to head scenarios. When that occurs, what happens in bowl season almost always ends up being the deciding factor. Again, a win in a 1 vs 2 bowl game trumps all. You don't get to the bowls ranked in the top 2 unless you're NC worthy, and if you beat a top 2 opponent once you get there, you've proven you're the best. Not that hard to understand.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 3/21/2013 at 12:10 AM

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Except for the fact that ND lost in a #1 vs #2 bowl game (which is considered the most legitimate way to be awarded a national title in this sport) and Alabama only lost in the regular season. You are willfully ignoring that. USC lost to ASU 20-7, that's 13 points. Who cares the number of points (unless it reaches 3 TDs or something crazy)? You also present double digits as if all losses by double digits are the same. Alabama lost by 10 to USC, ND lost 42-14 this year. Huge difference, and you know it.

    The fact remains that there are countless years in college football history where multiple teams finished with one loss involving various head to head scenarios. When that occurs, what happens in bowl season almost always ends up being the deciding factor. Again, a win in a 1 vs 2 bowl game trumps all. You don't get to the bowls ranked in the top 2 unless you're NC worthy, and if you beat a top 2 opponent once you get there, you've proven you're the best. Not that hard to understand.

    So you think it's crazy if ND would have shared the title with Alabama this year?

    Ya, I think it's pretty ludicrous as well. What's really amazing is that 3 of Alabama's titles since 1961, are just like if Notre Dame had been called a co National Champion this year.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Remember when this thread was about Michigan? Good times.

    MacGruber

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    So you think it's crazy if ND would have shared the title with Alabama this year?

    Ya, I think it's pretty ludicrous as well. What's really amazing is that 3 of Alabama's titles since 1961, are just like if Notre Dame had been called a co National Champion this year.

    Not really that amazing. Our only titles in bowl losing seasons came from polls that voted before. Sure, it's an antiquated way of determining the champion, but it was the way it was done at the time and every school claims AP/Coaches/UPI titles. That's why I don't have an issue with USC claiming the UPI title from '78. My point was simply that Alabama won the AP plus others and won the 1v2 bowl game, so you can't discredit it. We can argue all day (and clearly we have) about which title is more legitimate that year, but that's different than arguing whether you can claim a title where a major poll made the selection.

    FortWorthTide

  • Wait, Michigan's all-time record against Ohio State is 58-44-6 and the Michigan fans are allowing the Ohio State fans to get under their skin?

    SweetHomeNYC

  • Football blue bloods who have won an NCAA basketball championship: Florida, Michigan, Ohio State

    Schools with 900 football wins: Michigan

    Schools with a NC in all four revenue sports (football, basketball, baseball and hockey): Michigan

    Apparently, we need a new term for the greatness that is Michigan. We are truly in a category of one.

    goblue

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 3/21/2013 at 10:30 AM

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Football blue bloods who have won a basketball NC: Florida, Michigan, Ohio State

    Schools with 900 football wins: Michigan

    Schools with a NC in all four revenue sports (football, basketball, baseball and hockey): Michigan

    Apparently, we need a new term for the greatness that is Michigan. We are truly in a category of one.

    goblue

    football bluebloods that are also the all-time NC leader in another of the big-four sports:

    USC (all-time leader in baseball NCs)
    Michigan (all-time leader in Hockey)

    What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

    scinsc5

  • MrWoodson said...

    Football blue bloods who have won an NCAA basketball championship: Florida, Michigan, Ohio State

    Schools with 900 football wins: Michigan

    Schools with a NC in all four revenue sports (football, basketball, baseball and hockey): Michigan

    Apparently, we need a new term for the greatness that is Michigan. We are truly in a category of one.

    goblue

    Um, you put baseball and hockey in there as revenue sports... You mean pro revenue sports?

    brem22

  • scinsc5 said...

    football bluebloods that are also the all-time NC leader in another of the big-four sports:

    USC (all-time leader in baseball NCs)
    Michigan (all-time leader in Hockey)

    I like how you think.

    MrWoodson

  • brem22 said...

    Um, you put baseball and hockey in there as revenue sports... You mean pro revenue sports?

    They are revenue sports for some schools.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    They are revenue sports for some schools.

    Lies. Baseball and hockey are usually big time cost centers.

    North Dakota Whatever U for hockey doesn't count.

    brem22

  • Too bad a majority of M*chigans "great" players and coaches are from Ohio or elsewhere... Your case would be better if your state produced its own talent.. IMO

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  • Buckeyechef12 said...

    Too bad a majority of M*chigans "great" players and coaches are from Ohio or elsewhere... Your case would be better if your state produced its own talent.. IMO

    I love when OSU fans make this argument. It does nothing but show how much OSU sucks at putting up a fence around their state.

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  • SweetHomeNYC said...

    Wait, Michigan's all-time record against Ohio State is 58-44-6 and the Michigan fans are allowing the Ohio State fans to get under their skin?

    Most of those wins are from 80 years ago, we have been whipping TTUN for longer than I have been alive.

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  • Rabid said...

    I love when OSU fans make this argument. It does nothing but show how much OSU sucks at putting up a fence around their state.

    I agree, A lot of kids in Ohio are enamored with ND. Some choose Mich (Ferns) just to be different. We are starting to pull some talent from your state though. We have Webb and a shot at Drake!

    This post was edited by LegalAlien on 3/21/2013 at 11:25 AM

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  • LegalAlien said...

    I agree, A lot of kids in Ohio are enamored with ND. Some choose Mich (Ferns) just to be different. We are starting to pull some talent from your state though. We have Webb and a shot at Drake!

    Webb is a really good get for you guys. He's a real stud.

    Harris will be a battle. I like where Michigan stands currently with him but anything can happen.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Since 1969, Michigan's record against each of the schools in your Blue Blood field:

    Bama 2-2 Nebraska 2-2 (all-time record: 4-3) Notre Dame 14-14 (all-time record: 20-16-1) OSU 21-21-2 (all-time record: 58-45-6) OU 0-1 Texas 0-1 USC 1-6 (all-time record: 4-6)*

    *USC is the only school we've played at least ten times we have a losing record against.

    goblue

    Michigan beat USC 2 times in the regular season, so it should be 2-6

    There are a few programs that will always remain as Blue Bloods, and Michigan's all time W/L, strength of schedule all time, and for their place as one of the architects of modern college football (with Ohio State)...they will remain Blue Bloods - one of the bluest of all..they taught us all how to play the game of football. The last NC winning coaches out of the SEC come from the Ohio coaching tree. Can't ever leave those BIG-10 teams off any BB lists, ever.

    Add Alabama, Notre Dame, tOSU, and......USC - for daring to not remain happy with just winning our region..hence, the USC vs Notre Dame rivalry.

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 3/21/2013 at 12:01 PM

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Michigan beat USC 2 times in the regular season, so it should be 2-6

    There are a few programs that will always remain as Blue Bloods, and Michigan's all time W/L, strength of schedule all time, and for their place as one of the architects of modern college football (with Ohio State)...they will remain Blue Bloods - one of the bluest of all..they taught us all how to play the game of football. The last NC winning coaches out of the SEC come from the Ohio coaching tree. Can't ever leave those BIG-10 teams off any BB lists, ever.

    Add Notre Dame, tOSU, and USC - for daring to not remain happy with just winning our region..hence, the USC vs Notre Dame rivalry.

    Just to be clear, Michigan has a poor Rose Bowl record against USC (2-6) but we've won both regular season meetings (2-0). Our all-time record against USC is 4-6.

    http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2012&team1=Michigan&team2=Southern+California

    MrWoodson

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